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B&W Research Thread

Discussion in 'BW Competitive Discussion' started by ΩDonut, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. Pyritie

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    Doing some research on whether storm drain/lightningrod still pull attacks...

    I have two storm drainers

    I use surf
    Partner's SpA rose
    Enemies get damaged
    Partner does not get damaged

    I use water gun
    Ability thing appears on partner (I'm guessing it says "Storm drain took the attack!" or something)
    Ability thing appears on partner again, SpA rises
    Nothing happens to enemies
    screenshots of this (open)
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    I use muddy water (hits both enemies, does not hit partner)
    Enemies get damaged
    Nothing happens to partner

    So yeah, these abilities still pull things. (At least storm drain does but I don't see why lightningrod would be any different)
  2. mattj

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    Info on that stuff is being posted here. Nothing yet though.
  3. Wafflez

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    My question...
    Does Justice Heart prevent moves such as say...Dark Void?Or is it only Dammaging moves?
  4. howabe

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    I could use Dark Void against the Birijion in-game. It slept and gained no boost.
  5. SupremeDirt

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    So confirmation that Rough Skin works identically to Iron Barbs? That's nice.

    Did we miss this? Has not been added to OP.

    Also, just to add something I forgot to, entry hazards do not break illusion.

    *EDIT* Damnit, double post, wasn't thinking.
  6. Peterko

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    assuming your snorlax (460kg)was lv.100, according to my calcs with the DP damage formula, these are the rough base powers

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    vs torterra(352kg)    	BP = 39-42
    vs dragonite (210kg)  	BP = 59-63
    vs mewtwo(122kg)     	BP = 80-86
    vs altaria (20kg)  	BP = 110-120
    vs mew (4kg)            BP = 112-122
    max base BP seems to be around 120, considering lax is the heaviest (?) of the pkmn that learn it...

    the formula may look something like:
    heavy bomber BP = (user´s weight - target´s weight) x 120 / user´s weight

    so,
    vs mew = (460 - 4) x 120 / 460 = 118 (tests say 112-122)
    vs altaria = (460 - 20) x 120 / 460 = 115 (tests say 110-119)
    vs mewtwo = (460 - 122) x 120 / 460 = 89 (tests say 80-85) !
    vs dragonite = (460 - 210) x 120 / 460 = 66 (tests say 59-62) !

    this formula is wrong

    ...I´ll try to figure this out lol

    EDIT: maybe the description is misleading and it´s just some kind of reverse low kick/grass knot
    - does more damage to lighter foes, something like this:

    400.1+ kg = 20 BP (you could test against another snorlax)
    300.1-400 kg = 40 BP (torterra)
    200.1-300 kg = 60 BP (dragonite)
    100.1-200 kg = 80 BP (mewtwo)
    50.1-100 kg = 100 BP (no test subject)
    <=50 kg = 120 BP (altaria & mew)

    Mien could you please test the damage around 5-10 times against a gastly or something to get the highest damage possible? Afterwards a few more with Altaria and then against something with 25.1-50 kg and 50.1-100kg so that we have the whole thing

    EDIT2: sorry had to fix the calcs a bit, they were slightly off (max BP was off by 1)
  7. iruchii

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    Retested Mischievous Heart earlier and now I'm pretty sure it adds +1 priority to zero base power moves.

    This was my previous post about it. Everything there is confirmed.

    Then I decided to test it against priority again;

    Erufuun used Stun Spore!
    Wild Shimama was paralyzed!
    Wild Shimama used Quick Attack!

    Then I tested this against a friend's scarfed Basurao (so that it was faster than my Erufuun);

    Basurao used Aqua Jet!
    Erufuun used Stun Spore!
    Basurao was paralyzed!

    The last nail in the coffin will be when I get access to an ExtremeSpeed Pokémon, which now has +2 Priority, and test it against Mischievous Heart Stun Spore. I'll also test Taunt and Substitute immediately after I get the TMs, and will start breeding for Encore Erufuun so that can be tested too.

    edit; For completeness sake, also tested in a double battle:

    Erufuun and Abagoora vs Zebraika and Shikijika
    Erufuun: 114 speed
    Abagoora: 78 speed

    Erufuun used Stun Spore!
    Wild Zebraika was paralyzed!
    Abagoora used Aqua Jet!
    Wild Zebraika fainted!
  8. Mario With Lasers

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    Weird, so Surf raises the partner's Sp. Attack but not Muddy Water?

    EDIT -- Ehhh I thought Muddy Water worked like Surf and hit everybody at the field. Sorry.

    I'll ask him again to know what went wrong with him, then.
  9. Cubed

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    Muddy Water was just both opponents in Gen IV. Has that changed?
  10. PK Gaming

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    Did you forget about Aggron and his 793.7 Weight?!?
    He also has an ability that doubles weight too. (1587.4)

    Thanks for the calculations.
  11. MauriiDS

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    The Vitamins, like always, give 10 EVs.
    The "feather" items that you found in the bridge where Swanna pre-evos are, give 1 EV.
  12. The Shadow Knight

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    Have you tried using them on a Pokémon with 100 EV's or more in the stat you're trying to boost?
  13. MauriiDS

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    As usual, you can`t use more vitamins of a particular stat if that stat have 100 Evs or more.
    I tested a "feather" and worked in a 100 Evd pokemon.
  14. TheMaskedNitpicker

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    So you're saying that Rough Skin has been nerfed back down to doing 1/16 against a contact move? It was 1/8 in 4th gen.
  15. SupremeDirt

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    Huh, if so Iron Barbs is a superior version, I can confirm it does 1/8.
  16. The Shadow Knight

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    I was kinda expecting that. It's a rediculously slow way to EV though ;]
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    If it's okay with you guys, can I get a confirmation of the formular for Electra Ball? Is it really the reverse of Gyro Ball?
  18. Mikazukinoyaiba

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    For passing on Dream World abilities from mothers, do they have be be carrying the everstone and if not, does carrying the everstone increase the chances of the ability passing on?
  19. felix

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    Is there any info on how Telekinesis works? Is it just a reverse Gravity?
    Does it change your opponents ability into levitate, does it affect the entire field in doubles or just one opponent? How much does it increase accuracy by?
  20. TheMaskedNitpicker

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    I can tell you that it only hits one target, not the entire field.
  21. ΩDonut

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    Re-read the description in the first post and see if it mentions anything about Everstones. (spoiler: it doesn't. Please read the first post carefully before posting questions.)
  22. Pyritie

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    Does magic mirror reflect defog, and if it does, can you use it to clear your own side of the field in a multi battle by having the defogger target someone with magic mirror on your own side?
  23. DDRMaster

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    You could always use Defog on your partner in a Mult-Battle and it would clear the entry hazards your opponent layed. I don't see why you would need to use it on a Pokemon with Magic Mirror.
  24. MauriiDS

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    The ability "Iron Barbs" does 1/8 damage; I didn`t tested Rough Skin, but im pretty sure it does the same amount of damage.

    So, I tested the "Rugged Helmet"
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    Pokémon Black and White have introduced a new item with the name Rugged
    Helmet (rough translation). This item, when equipped, deals 1/8th (of  full HP)
     damage to the opponent when they use a contact move. For all  intents and
     purposes, it gives the bearer an additional ability in Rough Skin.
    Well, it`s not 1/8; it need to take effect 7 times to faint the opponent:

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    Swanna (Lv36) with "Rugged Helmet" vs wild Minezumi (Lv8)
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    Gear (Lv25) with "Rugged Helmet" vs wild Minezumi (Lv8)
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    I also tested Desseed (Iron Barbs) with "Rugged Helmet", the ability activate first, then the item; it takes 4 times to faint the opponent:
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  25. ΩDonut

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    I'm fairly certain it is 1\8 of total HP; at such low levels you've got a lot of rounding going on. It'd be better if tested with a high-level opponent, but I think what you've tested so far is great, thank you!

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