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B&W Research Thread

Discussion in 'BW Competitive Discussion' started by ΩDonut, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. dbolt

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    1/3

    Tested it with a Kojondo with 1/153 HP, switched it out and it had 52/153 HP. It healed after switching out and there's no activation message.
  2. The King of Harts

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    So piggy backing off of this: Does this mean Spore still works on Pokemon with Herbivore?
  3. Sixonesix

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    I tested and Wide Guard does run off the same success counter as Protect (Wide Guard sometimes fails after a successful Protect and vice-versa). Trying the other combinations now.
  4. dbolt

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    Spore and other non-damaging grass moves don't work against pokemon with Hervibore.

    Also Justice Heart doesn't grant a Dark-type immunity. Attacked a Terakion with Crunch and it recieved damage. It got the attack boost though.
  5. AJC

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    i keep hearing a rumor that says pikachu will now have double speed when holding light ball can someone test to see if this is true?
  6. Toothache

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    If you are taking 1/8 damage from Rough Skin/Iron Barbs, then you'd at best need to suffer 8 attacks to be KOed, or 9.

    Example: If you had an evenly divisible number of HP (40)
    40/8=5 HP per attack, so it would take 8 attacks before you fainted

    But if you had an unevenly divisible number HP (42)
    42/8=5 HP per attack, 2 remaining after 8 attacks, so it would take 9 attacks before you fainted.

    I don't know where you are getting 7 attacks from. 1/8th certainly fits the pattern here, so I'd guess Iron Barbs is 1/8 damage.
  7. Wichu

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    I've tested Pre-evolution Stone.
    I used this Pokémon for attacking: Starmie, 31/31 IVs, 128 Atk/128 Sp. Atk (I know it's a bad EV spread, but it's fine for testing).
    My defenders had max IVs and no defensive EVs.

    Ice Beam vs. Porygon2:
    195 Sp. Def (normal): 94 - 111
    292 Sp. Def (x1.5): 63 - 75
    Actual damage: 69, 68, 70, 72, 68, 73, 64, 70, 67

    Ice Beam vs. Porygon:
    155 Sp. Def (normal): 118 - 139 damage
    232 Sp. Def (x1.5): 79 - 94 damage
    Actual damage: 86, 79, 94

    Rapid Spin vs. Gligar:
    246 Def (normal): 13 - 16 damage
    369 Def (x1.5): 9 - 11 damage
    Actual damage: 10, 9, 9, 10, 11

    Ice Beam vs. Munchlax:
    175 Sp. Def (normal): 105 - 124 damage
    262 Sp. Def (x1.5): 70 - 83 damage
    Actual damage: 79, 73, 73

    Rapid Spin vs. Munchlax:
    116 Def (normal): 28 - 33 damage
    174 Def (x1.5) 19 - 23 damage
    Actual damage: 22, 21

    So it seems to boost the Def and Sp. Def by 1.5 times for any NFE Pokémon. I tested with Dunsparce, a fully-evolved Pokémon, and it did the normal damage (didn't record it, though).
  8. mien

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    All my pokemon are lvl 100, i couldn't use Gastly as my pokesav can alter ev's and iv's but not levels so i used Mesprit instead.
    Updated list:

    Snorlax(460kg) with 256 attack using Heavy bomber on all these pokemon having exact 216 def

    Torterra(352kg): 40-38-36-36-40 damage
    Dragonite(210kg): 60-59-54-53-54 damage
    Mewtwo(122kg): 81-75-73-76-77 damage
    Flygon(82kg): 105-102-106-109-108-112-106-113-110-104 damage
    Togekiss(38kg): 107-104-114-112-106-107-112-110-102-111-102 damage
    Altaria(20kg): 102-104-111-110-106-121-107-108-112-118 damage
    Mew(4kg): 114-111-104-113-108 damage
    Mesprit(0.3kg):115-112-116-114-117-107-108-119-121-108 damage

    It seems as if the damage done to Togekiss leans more towards Flygons then Altaria's though the damage rolls make it difficult to be sure
  9. Sixonesix

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    Also, regarding this:

    They do not. Tested this with a Tyranitar, and:

    When Tyranitar started the battle as the active Pokemon, Sand Stream activated.

    When Tyranitar started the battle as the last Pokemon (the one not on the field at all), but switched in first turn, Sand Stream activated.

    When Tyranitar started the battle as an inactive pokemon on the field, Sand Steam did not activate, even when it rotated to become the active Pokemon.
  10. skarm

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    Triple Battles

    Intimidate - Contrary to my original beliefs, if the Intimidate using Pokemon is placed in the center it will give the -Atk to all three opposing Pokemon. If it is in the Left or Right slots, it will only give the -Atk to the two Pokemon it can "hit". This does not mean you can hit all three Pokemon with moves like Surf and Blizzard from the center position, however.
  11. mien

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    Tested this in a double battle, The Pikachu holding Light Ball wasn't faster then Mewtwo(which had only about 10% more speed). Light Ball still works the same way as it did in D/P it seems
  12. Habitus

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    Can someone test to confirm that Fake Out is now +3 Priority, the same level as Follow Me/Fast Guard/Wide Guard as this could have a major affect on VGC if its doubles/triples.
  13. DDRMaster

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    Adding to this, it's also the same priority as Protect which is much easier to put on a Pokemon than Fast/Wide Guard/Follow Me so it would be easier to test.

    Edit: Nevermind, Protect has +4 priority.

    Another thing that I think should be tested is to see if Miscievous Heart give priority to moves with a higher or lower priority than 0. This can be tested by using a hacked Erufuun with Trick Room and Follow Me. Have it use Trick Room against a Deoxys (or anything faster than it) and see if Erufuun goes first. The same thing can be done against a fast Pokemon with Follow Me/Wide Guard/Fast Guard and having Erufuun use Follow Me against them. You can also test Follow Me against a faster and slower Pokemon's Protect and see if it goes before either of them. You can also use Trick Room against a faster and slower Pokemon with Roar.

    From this information, we should be able to determine exactly what priority it gives moves and see if it even gives any more for moves with non 0 priority.
  14. TheMaskedNitpicker

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    So are you saying that moves like Blizzard definitely can't hit all three opponents from the center position, or that you're just not necessarily saying they can?

    According to my data, Protect has a +4 modifier in BW, one level higher than Wide Guard,Fast Guard, Follow Me, and Rage Powder.
  15. Slipperjeans

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    Tested Encourage.
    Its boost is 1,3x (average of 100 dmg will now be average of 130 dmg)

    I recorded a test using Flare Blitz (which is boosted, BTW). With the damages in this video it doesn't become clear whether the boost is of 1,2x or of 1,3x, but after I recorded it I did some more damages and they definitely put it into 1,3x range.

    All-Max Hihidaruma Flare Blitz
    vs All-Max Hihidarma
    117-139

    If boost is 1,2x:
    140-165

    If boost is 1,3x:
    152-179

    If boost is 1,4x:
    164-193

    Damages with boost:
    161, 164 (video), 172, 169


    Video is here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4OZiOpW0dM
    (it's still processing as of now)



    Also, on further testing, both of these Hihidarumas did the same damage to each other when using Strength. So, only moves that have secondary effects are boosted.
  16. Pyritie

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    Yeah, but I was just wondering if magic mirror did anything to it. Of course it's very low priority... >__>
  17. Slipperjeans

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    Tested Victory Star,
    Hypnosis hit 11 times out of 15 as such the ability raises the accuracy by only 1 Stage
  19. Peterko

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    great tests! here you go, base power range from all of your test results so far

    Code:
    vs mesprit (0.3kg) 	BP = 120-127
    vs mew (4kg) 	 	BP = 113-122
    vs altaria (20kg) 	BP = 120! (Mien. got both max dmg 121 and min dmg 102)
    vs togekiss (38kg) 	BP = 113-120
    vs flygon (82kg) 	BP = 112-120
    vs mewtwo (122kg) 	BP = 80-86
    vs dragonite (210kg)  	BP = 59-62
    vs torterra(352kg)    	BP = 39-42
    the next step would be a test with a lighter bomber to prove my theory wrong that it´s just a reverse LK/GK, for ex. by using
    - hariyama (~254kg) to heavy bomber mesprit, mewtwo and torterra
    - emboar (150kg) to heavy bomber mesprit, mewtwo and torterra

    hit them just a few times and
    a) if they do similar damage (to snorlax) -> reverse GK/LK
    b) if they do different damage -> we´ll have to figure out the formula

    - also please try to hit something with around 100kg (between m2 and gon, for example venusaur with 100kg)
    - and snorlax vs snorlax as well, to see whether you get base power 20
    - for fun, try to heavy bomber a heavier foe :)

    good luck and keep up the good work

    EDIT: note that aggron (360kg) is not heavier than snorlax (460kg), but if heavy metal indeed doubles aggron´s weight, it makes it the heaviest bomber with 720kg
  20. Sixonesix

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    Confirming that Protect, Detect, Wide Guard, and Fast Guard all run on the same counter.

    Also confirming that a faster Pokemon using Fake Out will move before a slower Pokemon using Wide Guard or Fast Guard, but not before a slower Pokemon using Protect or Detect.
  21. TheMaskedNitpicker

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    Is it possible that damage that's calculated as a percentage of max HP (or perhaps all damage) is now rounded up instead of down?

    Is there a reason that Victory Star has to increase accuracy by a number of 'stages'? Most accuracy effects from items and abilities just adjust by a flat percentage.
  22. Slipperjeans

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    Tested Miracle Skin.

    My Rotom tried to paralyze a Blissey with this ability (hacked) 30 times using Thunder Wave.
    He succeeded 14 times.

    The rate is 50%.
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    I've got a question: Will Breakable Armor activate for each hit of a multi-hit physical attack?
  24. ΩDonut

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    Hence why it's listed as Tentative - we still don't know that flat percentage. I guess we could say "it's lower than a +2 accuracy boost".
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    Can you use rotom forms on wi fi friend code?

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