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Pokemon VGC 2010 DATES / rules announced for the US!

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lordkira said:
Actually, Garchomp was allowed even before VGC 2010 and since the info release about two "UBERS" per team, Garchomp usage has gone down quite a bit (at least in Japan and Korea not too sure about other countries...since I havent been to anywhere but the two sorry).

Lugias...meh its one of the least used UBERS thats been allowed this year due to the lack of raw power. Defense is good but the double battling...really doesnt tolerate stall or stalling pokemons too well lol.

Palkias are one of the most used (probably top 3). However, I have never seen a scarfed palkia as of now. 99.99% go with the following moveset: spacial rend, surf or hydro pump, thunder or fire blast (thunder is more used), protect.

Scarf...its used in the double battling meta but it is rarely seen as choice items tend to be HORRIBLE in this metagame.
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Garchomp is a beast in Ubers from what I've seen, so I would predict huge usage of it (but then again, I'm just making educated guesses, I haven't studied yet). There may be lots of Scarves, but I also think we'll be seeing a lot less Exploders. Lugia, I guess wouldn't do very well, but I was just pulling things off the list that had nice stats.

Whatever goes down, this will certainly be interesting.

ultimatedra said:
Umm, no - there is no chance.
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Well aware of that. I was hoping you could infer that from my post.
 
UBERs of smogon is very different from the meta of double battling.
Garchomp...while it is pretty good, it usually won't last a turn or two (that's a bit extreme or can sound like it but in doubles it's not too great imo esp in vgc 2010). People used to use tyranitar and garchomp a lot on their teams but now neither are...too common from what i've seen. You're right, Lugia wouldn't too well and it's because of the lack of offensive abilities in a meta that is hyper fast-paced and offensive. There aren't too many scarfed pokemons...there isn't too much switching (MUCH less than the ubers of smogon) so choice items can be deadly sometimes...to yourself. Oh and there are quite of a lot of exploders, sometimes they are predictable but there are. I mainly have protect on pretty much all my pokemons to protect themselves from super effective moves and exploders (from my side or theirs) lol.
Oh and yeah it is definitely interesting...in my opinion. Some people hate it though haha.

ultimatedra said:
Did you read the quote from the Head of Video Game Operations?
He said that there is no chance. So there is no small chance, it is a NO CHANCE IN HELL.

Species Clause will be in place as most of the rules from last year.
If you want a direct link to the quote from Mike Liesik - Head of Video game operations, here you go:
http://forums.pokemon-tcg.com/showpost.php?p=49087&postcount=13

BTW - you must be affiliated with TPCi in some way to view this post.
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if you've actrually read my posts, i have pretty much said what you said
oh and there can always be a change of rules but this one is unlikely
hence my great emphasis on the chance being "small...small...small...VERY small".
 
Here's something I noticed that I don't believe has been brought up yet:

A team cannot contain more than two of Dialga, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Lugia, Mewtwo, Palkia, and Rayquaza during a battle
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This should mean that you can have more than 2 Ubers on your team sheet, but can select no more than 2 for a battle. So theoretically, you could have 4 Ubers on your team sheet, and would use your 2 non-Ubers and your choice of 2 out of your 4 Ubers for every battle (not saying it's the best idea, just stating a point).
 
I'm on my phone, so sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but there's no indication of qualifiers locations, yet, right? Hopefully the northwest gets one again. I won't get my hopes up for it to be 25 minutes from me in downtown Seattle again, but Portland wouldn't be bad either.
 
So, we´re having qualifiers in UK, France, Germany, ITALY and SPAIN!!!! Hell yeah!!!!

I´m going to start to create a good team for when the qualifiers of Spain start. I want to participate this year.

PD: WTF no Specie Clauses? You can wear 2 legendaries and unlimited number of same Pokemon? Here goes my team of 4 Metagross and 2 Kyogres!
 
^ As stated in previous threads it is obvious there will be a species clause it would be ridiculous if not......

On another note its looking like great news for Spain and Italy, I'm personally hoping for a European final before worlds this year and I'm praying the UK will actually get more than one qualifier, regional events with an overall UK final, that would be epic...........am I maybe wishing for to much though?!?
 
I am relatively sure that there won't be regionals in European countries for 2-3 from now. It is a progress, though, that Italy and Spain seem to get qualifiers this year.
But yeah @ Osirus, the notion of some kind of European championship similar to the U.S. nats excites me, too.
 
I'm really hoping they do the location as they did for the Journey Across America, and had sites across the nation. I guess its possible with all the revenue they're making.
 
drug_duck said:
I am relatively sure that there won't be regionals in European countries for 2-3 from now. It is a progress, though, that Italy and Spain seem to get qualifiers this year.
But yeah @ Osirus, the notion of some kind of European championship similar to the U.S. nats excites me, too.
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When i was attending the summer feits here in the UK last summer, I got talking to one of the head guys that helps organise the European events and he did hint that they were intending to change the format of entry and the qualifying system for this year.
Although he did say because the European VGC is still in its baby stages the likelyhood of more regionals at this point was unlikely......but we can hope.

@ Acorn; I'm pretty sure with all the negagtive feedback they recieved from last years venues and dates that these have been a major priority for them to rectify this year, so fingers crossed an improvement will be made so people don't have to make stupidly long journeys to attend.

Oh and has anyone considered setting up a Smogon VGC league for practice purposes and team testing???
If not, I would be happy to organise something, but rather than spam this thread with this if people are interested please PM me and I will sort something out.
 
drug_duck said:
I felt sorry for Metang with who went to Berlin and got kicked there...
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...for a mere speed tie. The story is likely to repeat with the large 90 base speed group ._.

There's still many problems though:
- The random selection to piss off people who came from far away
- The number of the winners (last year they were only 2 per nation)
- The unfair (for the entrants) "inscription fee", namely HGSS
- No swiss tournament (until confirmed)
- Species Clause ambiguity
- Giratina-o ambiguity

Although I must say it's better than nothing. HGSS fee is less expensive than a full travel...
 
@Metang - If you're wondering, the random selection process was a means (and I'm quoting this from TPCi) to "Make it fair to people who travel from far away, as opposed to first come first serve, where those who live closer have an advantage to those who are far away"

I'm justing saying, that was their logic, since random selection truly is a "fair" system. However, that doesn't mean it's not a BS system. In first come first serve, the obsessed would come at least a day early, so....
 
Mosquitox216 said:
"Make it fair to people who travel from far away, as opposed to first come first serve, where those who live closer have an advantage to those who are far away"
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:/

That's really, really lame. They seem to be forgetting how every arrives at the same time, and someone who comes from far away and spends a great deal of money just getting there is going to be pissed off when they don't get a place in the tournament.

European championship though, if it happens, I could live with. The expansion seems to be hinting towards it.
 
What I was told, was in their perfect situation the qualifiers ideally would be held over two days where everyone that turns up on the first day gets the oppotunity to compete in a round robin style of play and the winners of the RR groups proceeded to a knock out qualifer the next day. Although saying this, the costs of organising something like this and the cost for competitors staying over night if travelling from a far is something that would definatly crimp this from happening, at least on paper.....but we'll just have to wait and see how they format it this year.
I'm still confident the means of entering and dates/venues will be a huge improvement on last years event.
 
Osirus182 said:
What I was told, was in their perfect situation the qualifiers ideally would be held over two days where everyone that turns up on the first day gets the oppotunity to compete in a round robin style of play and the winners of the RR groups proceeded to a knock out qualifer the next day. Although saying this, the costs of organising something like this and the cost for competitors staying over night if travelling from a far is something that would definatly crimp this from happening, at least on paper.....but we'll just have to wait and see how they format it this year.
I'm still confident the means of entering and dates/venues will be a huge improvement on last years event.
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You where told this by Who? and what is your source?
 
drug_duck said:
I guess he means Anthony Cornish who is the Head Marketing Director for TPCi issues in Europe.
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Yeah Ant was the guy who told me, although he did say these formats would be in a 'perfect world' situation so weather or not it will happen, who knows??? Its something to think about though, since its obviously something they've discussed.
 
Yeah, right, but as you mentioned it, the scenario he was painting was a "perfect world" situation so it will probably take a few more years until we really have that. Remember, this is only the third year for Pokémon tournaments on an international scale, actually only the second since they didn't include Europe in 2008.

I think, what we realistically can expect is a slight increase in the selection process as well as more stops. The addition of Italy and Spain indicates that for Europe and the U.S. will most certainly get some additional regionals as well, whereas European countries will NOT have regionals in one country in the next 2-3 years (like UK/Germany north/south). As for the selection method and the actual proceeding at the tournament, we can only speculate as of now, the most favourable cause being that everyone who wishes to enter can in fact enter. You see, we are still standing in the dark, the only thing the announcement actually told us is that the world is following the Japanese ruleset.
 
Remember, we get complete info when HGSS is released on March 14th. What we know now is basically a teaser.

However, what I can tell you now is that this tournament will be completely and totally wrecked by Rain Dance teams.
 
drug_duck said:
Remember, this is only the third year for Pokémon tournaments on an international scale, actually only the second since they didn't include Europe in 2008.
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Well, technically 2008 was international as well, because there was more than one nation that participated (Japan and USA), and that's really what international means when you get the textbook definition. 2009 was a bigger international scale with a few Europe stops being added, and now 2010 will have a good chance at being even bigger than last year.


Either way, I can't wait until March 26th. :cloud:
 
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