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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)
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Charizard has just as many viable physical sets as special sets that are just as lethal as the Special sets and every single one of them run Earthquake. Pinsir has Mold Breaker to smack around Levitators with Earthquake, so it should run Earthquake, and as I type this I'm facing a Camerupt. Ground is no where near nonexistant.
I faced a Plusle yesterday. Looks like Plusle is a legit threat in NU because of that one encounter.
Yeah, i absolutely adore specsexeggutor. He often gets plenty of switchins and all he needs is one turn where he rips open teams. Going off max sp atack i got these calcs with leafstorm.
vs 252hp/176 sp def gardevoir : 82.06% - 96.47%
vs 6hp/0 skuntank :78.45% - 92.24%
vs 252hp/0 calm regice: 48.90% - 57.97% (2hko with stealth rock)
vs 252/200 calm hypno: 65.93% - 78.12%
vs 252/96 calm grumpig: 77.29% - 90.86%
vs 252/120 miltank: 83.40% - 98.38%
and thats not its only stab move, it also has psychic which hits the bug, poison and fire types that think they can switch in.
vs 6/0 charizard: 90.60% - 106.71%
vs 252/0 muk: 113.53% - 133.82%
So yeah, its only real problem is the fact its so easily outsped and can be very easily revenged by skuntank. However since skuntank is often so overloaded its easy to get past, especially when you have a chance to 0hko with leafstorm on the switch. I feel that this set is a very viable choice in almost every bulky offense, especially due to its ability to very easily take out the 'MilKing' combo and to power through the early game. Imo far more useful than scarf eggy who only hits 383 speed when maxed out. It also doe FAR less damage due to it being timid and leafstorm halving its attack power each turn.
In fact it actually has base 85 Special Attack (which caps off at 295 when modest with 252 ev/31 iv).
Yes, there are. Its speed (seriously dont run speed on this thing, its bulk is FAR more important), skuntank revenging and competing for space with other psychics.
That being said, that set is amazing for its ability to set up ALOT of momentum for your side. The ability to practically 0hko everything once its switched in can force alot of pressure on your opponent, that can very easily lead to bad decisions on their part.
That being said, that set is amazing for its ability to set up ALOT of momentum for your side. The ability to practically 0hko everything once its switched in can force alot of pressure on your opponent, that can very easily lead to bad decisions on their part.
Charizard=/=entire metagame.
Furthermore, Pinsir CANNOT waste a moveslot.
Close Combat for Rocks/Steels OR Quick Attack for priority (can't have both)
X-scizor STAB
Stone Edge for Flyers
Swords Dance...pretty self explanatory.
Earthquake is near useless on Pinsir since I don't even think NU even HAS levitator's. Furthermore Camerupt is relatively uncommon.
So far you've got Charizard (physical sets) who are common enough that carry Earthquake. That's pretty circumstantial.
We finally agree on something! Seriously though Specseggy is amazing and is the only set I would consider using in NU. (at the risk of sounding like a poser, I knew about SpecsEggy BEFORE this post because of a month earlier I looked at It's stats and cried tears of joy.)
And don't worry, Skuntank destroys everything in this tier, so should hopefully have something to lure the beast out. Gardevoir maybe? With Will-o-wisp she can cripple Skuntank switch ins.
Sounds like it's a decent partner to Raichu. (Despite the massive Skuntank weak)
Eggy can blow some wholes through teams, buying Raichu some time to set up a Nasty plot.
I can see this pairing being a nightmare for stall. (Especially Milking) since both pokemon beat it.
Yes and LOLchu if you consider it.
Pikachu
Lunatone, Solrock, Haunter, Chimecho, Bronzor, Carnivine, and Vibrava have Levitate. So yeah he has a point, I'm not sure if people still use Haunter quite a lot these days, especially with Skuntank killing any Ghost or Psychic that wanders in (and more).
SunnyBeam Eggy is pretty sexy with Trapinch support. Of course I haven't tried that, but if Specs Eggy is good then surely Eggy in sun would be better.
Of those Pokemon, which one doesn't immediately die from an X-Scissor? Earthquake is useless to use against Carnivine anyway.
Um... Haunter is one of UU's top tier threats!!! Be it scarf Haunter or Sub Haunter. It's extremely dangerous.
And really... Chimecho... Bronzor, Vibrava?!?
Your grasping.
I've used support Chimecho and RockPolish Solrock before. They're decent Pokemon.
ooh...NOOOO...RockPolish Solrock is GOOD. I don't know what you're talking about.
Are we allowed to speculate in this thread? Tier changes are coming up next month, which means NU will be shuffled around again.
I've been looking at the stats, and assuming UU is cut off at 54 Pokemon, it looks like Nidoqueen will be making a return to NU as usage has been in the mid 60s both months. Drifblim usage has also been consistently low, so we might gain another spinblocking option albeit one weak to Stealth Rock. On the plus side, it offers more support options than do Dusclops and Haunter. The Miltank era may also be over soon, as its usage has been increasing back to the UU mark.
Most telling is that Moltres will most likely be nominated as a UU suspect, and if it is banned, one of Charizard, Magmortar, or Typhlosion may leave NU as people try to find a replacement for it. Or people could just use more of Houndoom and co.
Naturally I would forsee something stallish, but the offensive threats seem to remain the same. Only time will tell though. Any thoughts?
I've been looking at the stats, and assuming UU is cut off at 54 Pokemon, it looks like Nidoqueen will be making a return to NU as usage has been in the mid 60s both months. Drifblim usage has also been consistently low, so we might gain another spinblocking option albeit one weak to Stealth Rock. On the plus side, it offers more support options than do Dusclops and Haunter. The Miltank era may also be over soon, as its usage has been increasing back to the UU mark.
Most telling is that Moltres will most likely be nominated as a UU suspect, and if it is banned, one of Charizard, Magmortar, or Typhlosion may leave NU as people try to find a replacement for it. Or people could just use more of Houndoom and co.
Naturally I would forsee something stallish, but the offensive threats seem to remain the same. Only time will tell though. Any thoughts?
Moltres has already been nominated before and it was voted to stay in UU. I'm not sure if they'll make it another suspect. I'd be glad to see Miltank rise back to UU and same with Electrode, and hopefully dragging Gorebyss into UU. Jumpluff is up there too. It was OU in 2nd Gen, BL in 3rd Gen, so let's end 4th gen with Jumpluff in UU.
I believe Armaldo should go to UU, I don't see any reason for it to be NU, it is a vicious physical sweeper with base 125 attack, and with STAB on Bug and Rock attacks, as well as learning Earthquake and Aqua Tail for coverage. Oh the presence of Rhyperior in UU? Armaldo isn't outclassed. Armaldo actually can take a Grass and Water attack without dying, and is 5 base points faster in the speed department, giving Rock Polish sets a bit more potential. And Armaldo also has a STABbed X-Scissor to combat bulky Grass types like Tangrowth and Leafeon, while Rhyperior has Megahorn with the same base power, it's shaky 85% accuracy as well as his 4x weakness to Grass compared to Armaldo's neutrality gives Armaldo an advantage.
Armaldo does lose out by having a Stealth Rock weakness, lower attack and No STAB on Earthquake, but really, who needs STAB on Earthquake when it comes to using it on Fire types, even without STAB, most Fire types like Blaziken, Houndoom, Typhlosion, Flareon (although rare) are OHKOed STAB or not, and Armaldo only takes neutral damage from their standard movesets while Rhyperior has to worry about Hidden Power Grass, Superpower etc. although Steels are a problem with their high defense.
Armaldo also has access to Rapid Spin and Knock Off, something Rhyperior does not have to support his team, so in conclusion, Armaldo should be UU because there isn't any reason for it to be in NU, Armaldo is a very versatile Pokemon with a lot potential in the UU environment.
P.S: This isn't important, but now that I think of it, Armaldo has base 70 Special Attack and base 45 Speed, Armaldo would be much better off if they switched places >_>
Armaldo does lose out by having a Stealth Rock weakness, lower attack and No STAB on Earthquake, but really, who needs STAB on Earthquake when it comes to using it on Fire types, even without STAB, most Fire types like Blaziken, Houndoom, Typhlosion, Flareon (although rare) are OHKOed STAB or not, and Armaldo only takes neutral damage from their standard movesets while Rhyperior has to worry about Hidden Power Grass, Superpower etc. although Steels are a problem with their high defense.
Armaldo also has access to Rapid Spin and Knock Off, something Rhyperior does not have to support his team, so in conclusion, Armaldo should be UU because there isn't any reason for it to be in NU, Armaldo is a very versatile Pokemon with a lot potential in the UU environment.
P.S: This isn't important, but now that I think of it, Armaldo has base 70 Special Attack and base 45 Speed, Armaldo would be much better off if they switched places >_>
Armaldo just doesn't have the same raw power - Choice Band Rhyperior, for example, can OHKO Physically Defensive Milotic with entry hazard support, while Armaldo has no chance to. This attack drop also makes it much less effective as a sweeper, since it misses out on a few notable OHKOs/2HKOs when compared to Rock Polish Aggron or Rhyperior. More than that, Rhyperior also has much better HP and Defense, allowing it to set up more easily and somewhat compensating for Armaldo's better SpD.
In other roles, it's outclassed as a Rapid Spinner by Donphan, which resists Stealth Rock instead of being weak to it.
In other roles, it's outclassed as a Rapid Spinner by Donphan, which resists Stealth Rock instead of being weak to it.
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