Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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Nah i cant see the scans from Pokebitch aswell!!!

Anyway the fact that the Grass starter's species is "grass snake" we might be in for a another Grass/Poison starter(hell NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!), i just cant shake the feeling.
 
Wow has anyone seen this?

Look at Raikou! His appears to be moving forward with an effect around it. Might this be the moving attacks some people were predicting?

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I think it just looks like Raikou is moving forward because the text box disapeers and the second image is larger than the first.

Edit: Actually, if you look at the left side of the image, more of Raikou seems to be cut off in the first image but we've seen Pokemon moving for attacks like Tackle and Quick Attack so I assume this is no different. It's the same sprite in both images so I don't think we'll be getting any sort of special attack animation.
 
Grass/Poison isn't that bad of a typing. Okay, you don't resist Ground anymore, but you resist Fighting, 4x Grass and isn't weak to Bug (and Poison, if it matters). Not to mention you get to absorb TSpikes, has a Toxic immunity and, hey, it's one more STAB option, even if it is Poison. The Psychic weakness is irrelevant, too. I think it's better than pure Grass.
 
In one of the pics of Raikou you can see that at full health it has 103 HP at Level 30. Using Serebii's IV Calculator, I input a Lvl 30 Raikou with 0 EVs & 31 IVs, pressed "calculate base stats", and got 103 HP. So it's safe to assume I think that all pictures showing a Pokemon' s HP are with 31 HP IVs & 0 EVs.

Based on this, Pokabu has a base HP of 61 (assuming the stat is 136, which I think it is) or 63 (if the stat is 138). This is the highest base HP of any starter: Mudkip has 50, Turtwig has 55 (though Torterra has 95 and Swampert has 100). We can say with a good deal of certainty that Pokabu's final evo will have over 100HP, my guess is somewhere around 110HP.

I can't make out Zoroark's HP from any pictures, but you can clearly see a Lvl. 50 Zorua with 108 HP. This translates to base 34 HP, so Zoroark will likely have a base HP somewhere in the 60s (Riolu and Lucario had a base HP of 40 and 70 respectively). This tells us Zoroark is likely to have a Sweeper build (as if anyone thought to the contrary).

EDIT: Also Entei's forward sprite is the exact same as its DPPt sprite. -_-
 
I've just looked at the scans and I agree with you. Looks like we could get a tank fire type, like Torterra. This is the first time a fire type starter has taken a non-mixed sweeper style stat spread, let's just hope he's better than Torkoal!
 
I'm all for a fire tank, but it's going to be difficult for GF to pull off a tanking fire by the sheer reason that Fire is such a terrible defensive type, with Ground, Rock, and Water-type attacks so abundant. (Its resistances aren't half bad, though, resisting Fire, Grass, Ice, Bug, Steel)

A Ground secondary typing wouldn't be too bad, removing the rock weakness (thus the 25% insta-HP loss via Stealth Rock). Given, Camerupt couldn't pull it off, but camerupt isn't a freaking pig, and it's not like Surf is that common that you couldn't see it coming from a mile away.
 
steel, ground or dragon(lol) work fine with fire for defensive porpuses, like i said, i think he is going to be the hell of a bulky fire tank.
 
About Claw Sharpen - the best use case I can see is on a mixed attacker - either something already fast so it doesn't too much need a speed boost, or something tankish. On the physical side, you get the +1, while on the special side, you get to use the higher power moves, which compared to the higher accuracy moves give a boost about halfway between a plate and a life orb.

Also, rock types, and anyone else who often uses Stone Edge, will appreciate the move, but unless it has very widespread distribution few if any rock types will get it. OTOH a +1 Stone Edge is equal to a +2 Rock Slide.
 
Voltres said:
I've just looked at the scans and I agree with you. Looks like we could get a tank fire type, like Torterra. This is the first time a fire type starter has taken a non-mixed sweeper style stat spread, let's just hope he's better than Torkoal!
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i think you can be pretty sure of that because as a pig pokemon, it will probably get slack off
 
cantab said:
About Claw Sharpen - the best use case I can see is on a mixed attacker - either something already fast so it doesn't too much need a speed boost, or something tankish. On the physical side, you get the +1, while on the special side, you get to use the higher power moves, which compared to the higher accuracy moves give a boost about halfway between a plate and a life orb.

Also, rock types, and anyone else who often uses Stone Edge, will appreciate the move, but unless it has very widespread distribution few if any rock types will get it. OTOH a +1 Stone Edge is equal to a +2 Rock Slide.
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I'm also thinking something like

Persian/Purugly/<awesome new Pokemon>
~Claw Sharpen
~Hypnosis
~Attack 1
~Attack 2

Providing you can force a switch and nothing faster can switch into you, there's a good chance of getting two boosts as they have to switch out if (80% accurate?) Hypnosis connects.
 
I really hope the fire starter is not a defensive Pkm like most of you predict it to be. Both fire\dark and fire\ground are terrible defensive type combinations and even if it got 110 base HP and access to instant recovery it wouldn't wall much. Earthquake is the most common attacking move and fire doesn't get important resistances other than, maybe, fire itself and lol steel. I'm hoping it's still some sort of offensive semi-fast attacker, if it had 100 base Spe and stab fire and ground moves then it would probably fit the metagame nicely. Being a pig doesn't mean that it has to be slow imo, look at Grumpig, it's a pig and is fat but still has a decent 80 base Spe.
 
It always bugged me how Ground doesn't have a resistance against Ground and Rock doesn't have a resistance against itself either. If they fixed that then those typings would certainly be more viable.
 
yayalex said:
Stuff like this pisses me off. What's special about Charmander Bulbasaur or Squirtle apart from the fact that you grew up with them? It's people hating on the new generations of Pokémon that make me look back and question my own gen. You could just as easily say Charmander is some designless fire lizard thing, Bulbasaur is a whatthefuck I don't even know with a plant thing on it's back and Squirtle is a gay wee turtle. Of course we don't say that because a) it's wrong and b) there's no bandwagon/meme brigade to stick up for us and help us out.

95% of us hate the water type, but there's still 5% who really like it and that just solidifies my notion that anyone who says these new pokes suck would probably say they sucked no matter what they looked like.
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Cyndaquil is cute and all, I'm not so fond of Torchic but it's Fighting type evolution paved the way for Chimchar's line, and Chimchar is pretty badass. But do you really think any ten year old back in my day liked Charmander because it was cute? Fuck no. It was a red lizard with a flaming tail. That was badass enough. Then it evolved into Charizard, who is still the coolest looking dragon in the series despite the lack of a Dragon type. I love Dragonite, but it's kind of dopey looking. The red and blue color scheme works perfectly. The fact that only the inside of the wings are blue makes them actually look attached, unlike Salamence's tacked on pieces of shit. Again, Infernape is VERY cool, but Typhlosion and Blaziken just don't compare. The fire pig looks ok. I see potential, but the only fire starter we've had that wasn't on fire was Torchic, so I'm a little worried.

Then we move onto Squirtle. A gay wee turtle? Have you fucking looked at it? It has a big old squirrel tail. That's pretty cool. Wartortle is even cooler, probably the coolest middle evolution of all the starters. Then Blastoise gets fucking cannons. Oh yeah, people were complaining about newer Pokemon games adding weapons to evolutions. Huh. Strange. Totodile, Mudkip, and Piplup just can't compete. Though Empoleon is awesome. I wonder how many people would actually like Swampert if it weren't so useful. Water otter just does look over designed. It's the first starter with a logo on it, and the logo just doesn't make any sense. Do they think we're stupid? We can't tell that it's an otter if it doesn't have a shell on its stomach? And if only the nose were blue, the color scheme would be okay. But it's orange. Ugh.

Finally Bulbasaur as a kid was just so damn unique and interesting. It was a frog/dinosaur and a plant. You could look at it and say "Oh yeah, grass type". You kind of have to assume Treecko and the new guy are grass just because they are green. Even Chikorita had a leaf on its head, and Chikorita's whole line was very underwhelming. I'll go ahead and admit it, Torterra is cooler than Venusaur. But they both beat the shit out of Meganium and Sceptile.

So at the end of the day, Gen 1 and 4 were pretty fucking awesome. I was an adult when I played Pearl, so I'm pretty certain my opinion isn't "just because I grew up with them". I also can't say I understand the logic behind your second paragraph at all. So if 99% of us hated the water type, because 1% liked it the 99% must all just be haters?
 
Now I'm thinking 'bout it, the grass starter could have those two yellow 'shoulderplates' get attached to the sides of it's head, his body becomes like that one of a cobra. But to add the starter part it could have those leafy arms turn into real arms.

Tada, a snake with arms + sweeper stuff.
 
I agree with Haunter in that Fire types are much better fast than slow (e.g. Infernape vs Camerupt). Generally high HP pokemon are slower, but if it had base ~80 speed like you say it could indeed make a decent Choice Scarf user (cf. Heatran). I think that after 4 generations of frail fire starters, Game Freak are just trying to do something different.
 
No I mean we all agree on the one we hate while we like the other 2 to some degree, so people who categorically state, "they're all shit," would hate them no matter what, in my opinion.

I'm sure there were people who saw the gen 1 Pokémon and said, "What the fuck these things are horrible," and therefore they never played Pokémon to begin with. I'm sure there are kids playing the games who would choose their gens starters over the 1st gens, I'm not saying Squirtle is a gay wee turtle, but I'm saying if I tried to be a dickhead about it I could make that assessment.

Also Mudkip/Swampert will forever be my most hated starter no matter what. I don't care how "useful" it is I will never ever use it again.
 
Haunter said:
I really hope the fire starter is not a defensive Pkm like most of you predict it to be. Both fire\dark and fire\ground are terrible defensive type combinations and even if it got 110 base HP and access to instant recovery it wouldn't wall much. Earthquake is the most common attacking move and fire doesn't get important resistances other than, maybe, fire itself and lol steel. I'm hoping it's still some sort of offensive semi-fast attacker, if it had 100 base Spe and stab fire and ground moves then it would probably fit the metagame nicely. Being a pig doesn't mean that it has to be slow imo, look at Grumpig, it's a pig and is fat but still has a decent 80 base Spe.
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Given a decent enough bulk naturally and maybe some EV investment, I don't see how a Fire/Ground can't be built as a tank.

Of course, if it does turn out that the pig is Fire/Ground, I can see a case for making it into a pure Physical attacker instead. Immunity to Will-o-wisp and Thunder Wave is awesome.
 
Personally I would love it if they changed the starter's abilities from the boring blaze/torrent/overgrown all the other starters have
 
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