5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - Latest: RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0

Hello, I asked here once how to capture perfect IVd shiny roamers, and OmegaDonut said that you have to do it by lots of trials and errors. I have done all kinds of RNG this Gen, but I have no idea what he means by that. Could someone clarify how the process works? And maybe even include some tips which would be helpfull? :p

Another question about the same matter: I heard that maybe some day, it could be possible not only to control the IVFrame, but the PIDFrame as well for roamers and that it will involve the SID and a controlled start of the game. Should I rather wait till this new method comes out, or just get them by trial and error?
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Kaphotics said:
Trial and Error:

1) Try, error.
2) Try, error.
3) Try, error.
4) Try, error.
5) Try, error.
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n) Try, success.

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Get a PID that you want shiny that currently was not. Start new game RNG that PID shiny with new IDs.
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I know what trial and error is^^ But where should I try to start? I searched for a good Seed in the Time Finder, but I don't know how to continue from there on. The rain advances the PID by some 100 Frames per Second, so if I furiously mash "a", the PID will be extremely high (Can someone tell me where I should more or less start looking for this "initial PID"?), but I can't tell exactly how high the initial PID will be.

And if I know where my "initial PID" more or less is, how to go on from there? Lets say my initial PID is 1900, and my shiny is at 2022 - Do I just have to wait ~2 Seconds more and hope that it was right? Meaning I just have to "feel" when to talk to it..?
 
I thought it was the PID as well, so I tried manually checking the starting frame and all and redid the PID count based on that, but no cigar.

I stop getting pokémon with natures anywhere near the PID frames I'm trying to hit.
I tried checking IVs as well the last time that happened, and those were off too.

As I said, if I just get a different seed, things start working fine again, but still, I was wondering what could be causing this.
 
can anyone help me out here, I have a flawless spread with which i want to catch an adamant ditto in the giant chasm, the starting PID is 50 and the adamant/encounter frame is on 72, if i check how much time turning it would take to make a pokemon appear then see if it is constant, then use a chatot to advance the frame and turn in the grass for the remainder i should get the ditto
 
I have already gotten DS parameters using RNG reporter on my home computer. Is there any way to enter those parameters to do standard searches using an RNG reporter on a different computer? As far as I can tell, it grays out your MAC address everywhere if you haven't calibrated using THAT RNG reporter on THAT computer. It looks like it will only accept input from the results section of the DS parameters finder, not any manually inputted information.
 
Troggy said:
I have already gotten DS parameters using RNG reporter on my home computer. Is there any way to enter those parameters to do standard searches using an RNG reporter on a different computer? As far as I can tell, it grays out your MAC address everywhere if you haven't calibrated using THAT RNG reporter on THAT computer. It looks like it will only accept input from the results section of the DS parameters finder, not any manually inputted information.
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You have to switch to method 5 before trying to change it.
 
Question: If you're using an everstone and not trying to control the PIDRNG, does it usually take long before you get the desired nature?
 
JRT said:
Question: If you're using an everstone and not trying to control the PIDRNG, does it usually take long before you get the desired nature?
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stupid question

it's 50% chance for an everstone to work, so no

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timer0 timer0 timer0 timer0 timer0 timer0 timer0 timer0 timer0 can't control it timer0 timer0 timer0 timer0 timer0 timer0 timer0

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post #3 tells you how to get rid of fog... no need to guess turning
 
You know what, you don't have to insult me I'm just asking the right questions for myself because I didn't know. This is my first time breeding in 5th Gen and I'm making sure. I mean seriously pointing out that it's stupid wasn't necessary.
 
JRT said:
You know what, you don't have to insult me I'm just asking the right questions for myself because I didn't know. This is my first time breeding in 5th Gen and I'm making sure. I mean seriously pointing out that it's stupid wasn't necessary.
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Yes, it was necessary. 1) It's a stupid question because it's obvious that something with a 50% chance of occurring means you won't have to try often to get it to succeed. 2) Pointing out it's a stupid question is meant to encourage you to think harder about your questions and discourage you from wasting others' time asking ones that aren't well thought-out.
 
Actually no the everstone doesn't even seem to matter for me. I thought that the everstone overrided PID advancement for some reason (from my understanding), but I can tell I'm hitting a specific PID frame. Now I need to figure out how to land on modest when I have to do a chatter and talk to the old man at the same time. And it wasn't stupid to me as did not remember the mechanics of the everstone and I am still learning.

:EDIT:
I was reading Terra's guide and I see that I still need to do a little PID advancing. The first time I read it, I was under the impression that I didn't, but I see that the everstone just helps to give me a better range. I probably should have explained everything in more detail and that is a problem I will work on, because if I ask half-hearted questions, that will make misunderstandings.
 
What do I do with shaking spots? I mean, I have to do 128 steps to make a dust cloud appear, but do I make 128 steps and end right in front of the cloud, or should I do 127, then do the PID advancements and then go into the dust?
 
Lowen]Hello said:
I know what trial and error is^^ But where should I try to start? I searched for a good Seed in the Time Finder, but I don't know how to continue from there on. The rain advances the PID by some 100 Frames per Second, so if I furiously mash "a", the PID will be extremely high (Can someone tell me where I should more or less start looking for this "initial PID"?), but I can't tell exactly how high the initial PID will be.

And if I know where my "initial PID" more or less is, how to go on from there? Lets say my initial PID is 1900, and my shiny is at 2022 - Do I just have to wait ~2 Seconds more and hope that it was right? Meaning I just have to "feel" when to talk to it..?
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I know how to RNG regular wild pokemon but how do I RNG for shiny wild pokemon? Do I just go to time finder and do everything that I would do for a normal wild pokemon. I entered my ID and SID on the bottom right corner of the screen and I checked the find nearest shiny box.= but I don't seem to be getting any shinies.

Thanks :)
 
Improbable said:
I know how to RNG regular wild pokemon but how do I RNG for shiny wild pokemon? Do I just go to time finder and do everything that I would do for a normal wild pokemon. I entered my ID and SID on the bottom right corner of the screen and I checked the find nearest shiny box.= but I don't seem to be getting any shinies.

Thanks :)
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I think you have to widen your search.. it's quite difficult to find your encounter + shiny + IVs with low frames. Widen your frame and if this doesn't help, try another date.
 
Improbable said:
I know how to RNG regular wild pokemon but how do I RNG for shiny wild pokemon? Do I just go to time finder and do everything that I would do for a normal wild pokemon. I entered my ID and SID on the bottom right corner of the screen and I checked the find nearest shiny box.= but I don't seem to be getting any shinies.

Thanks :)
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What parameters are you using for your search?
 
Buckert said:
What do I do with shaking spots? I mean, I have to do 128 steps to make a dust cloud appear, but do I make 128 steps and end right in front of the cloud, or should I do 127, then do the PID advancements and then go into the dust?
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128 steps, then into the patch works.
 
voodoo pimp said:
What parameters are you using for your search?
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My parameters are
Vcount :60
Vframe: 6
Gxstat: 6
Timer0min: C7E Timer0max: C7E
ID 16649
SID 47501

Also I was't really trying to look for any good IVs. I only want to do this for practice and I did get results but every time I hit them, they are never shiny.
 
Sephirona said:
In his case, it cannot be timer0 because C-Gear Entralink abuse is not Standard Abuse.

@wordproblems: Have you talked to the old man before entering the Entralink for the first time, and have you checked the High Link box on EonTimer? If so, could you maybe go a little more in depth as to exactly what your steps are while RNGing?
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I have talked to the old man, yes. I have High Link checked on EonTimer (and adjusted for accordingly whenever I am trying with ZomgTimer).

Basically, it's been:

1. Seach for spread (MAC Address entered), Open spread in Adjacent/Time Finder, and put as 999 adjacent frames and ±9 seconds
2. Set the timer and DS clock
3. Open White, soft-reset at the end of the first timer (on an Acekard if that makes a difference)
4. Turn on C-Gear, go to wireless -> entralink and wait on the "Warped to the Entralink!" screen for the timer, hit A at zero
5. Check the IVs of the first pokemon as well as the seed using the AR code, neither of which are to be found in adjacents
6. Check the seed I hit against the stats the caught pokemon had in Seed Inspector (PPRNG, not immediately sure what the RNG Reporter equivalent is), to find the stats are not even there.
 
Sephirona said:
It may just be timer0 messing you up in this case. You can't really control timer0, so you'll probably just need to keep repeating your steps until your timer0 happens to be the correct one for your seed. That, or you could search for a new seed with the different timer0 you've been getting. Even without a button press your timer0 can still fluctuate. But it's good that your results are consistent :D
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Ok, so I'm not completely hopeless. XD I'll try those options and see if i can get it too work. If not I'll be back with the results.
 
Is there something wrong with the Shiny Egg Seed function of the RNG Reporter because I swear the function is far less reliable then just using the Non-Shiny Seed. I hit the seed time perfectly and yet my egg keeps inheriting IVs in areas the Parents have 31 in them. I'm at a lost as to why it keep doing this.

DS Type: DS Lite
Retail Cart: White (English)
MAC Address: 0025A009F62E
VCount: 60
VFrame:6
GxStat:6
Timer0:C7F
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Seed: 0499F703929AEA6D
Male: 31/31/31/15/25/31
Female: 31/31/31/31/31/31
RNG IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
Time: 10:43:44
Date: 4/04/11
Hold: Start
PID Frame: 174
IV Frame: 8 (using the Shiny egg finder)
 
Gothic Togekiss said:
Is there something wrong with the Shiny Egg Seed function of the RNG Reporter because I swear the function is far less reliable then just using the Non-Shiny Seed. I hit the seed time perfectly and yet my egg keeps inheriting IVs in areas the Parents have 31 in them. I'm at a lost as to why it keep doing this.

DS Type: DS Lite
Retail Cart: White (English)
MAC Address: 0025A009F62E
VCount: 60
VFrame:6
GxStat:6
Timer0:C7F
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Seed: 0499F703929AEA6D
Male: 31/31/31/15/25/31
Female: 31/31/31/31/31/31
RNG IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
Time: 10:43:44
Date: 4/04/11
Hold: Start
PID Frame: 174
IV Frame: 8 (using the Shiny egg finder)
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Your seed IVs are 7/31/6/31/12/31. You can't just use your desired IVs as your seed IVs.
 
Zandock said:
Your seed IVs are 7/31/6/31/12/31. You can't just use your desired IVs as your seed IVs.
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Well that's odd. I put 31/31/31/31/31/31 within the usual IV area and got that seed with those values. I assumed that the IV listed were the IVs the RNG would hit if I hit my seed time right.

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Gothic Togekiss said:
Well that's odd. I put 31/31/31/31/31/31 within the usual IV area and got that seed with those values. I assumed that the IV listed were the IVs the RNG would hit if I hit my seed time right.

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Like I said, what you input into the time finder is just your desired IVs. Your seed IVs are just going to be something that allow for your desired IVs when you match up with the proper PID frame to get the inheritance spread you need. Everything is working fine.
 
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