Pretty sure that was Talonp patch version, though, so she didn't have the Riven nerfs...
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Pretty sure that was Talonp patch version, though, so she didn't have the Riven nerfs...
Of course,k and orianna is by no means bad or even not a very good champ now. She just isn't OP anymore
The range really makes me feel like she is not as good as someone like Brand in mid, who has great range and better scaling
so is nocturne, xin zhao, udyr, amumu and just about any non-warwick or lee sin jungler
I can't speak for nocbut all of those junglers clear red with high hp and at worst you run away with your red stolen. Gp gets very low and you can easily kill him AND take his red making his ganks and jungle far less effective.
neither is pre-6 amumu and warwick, nunu, udyr, shaco
Did you really just call shacos pre 6 ganks nothing? Ok putting that aside i have and will continue to pull off ganks with a lvl 4 mummy constantly. A bandage toss and red buff ensure at the very least a flash. Getting a flash is a successful gank because now your lane has an advantage.
(GP) his ult doesn't start fights, it is a large aoe slow to confine people once the fight starts
Once a fight has started the ONLY reason they will disengage is if you have already won that fight. It will help you clean up yes but it doesn't directly help you win the fight aside from some minor dmg.I prefer to pick champions that let me straight up win the team fight with a lot of hp on my team left so we can baron/tower/dragon.
which isn't necessarily bad, the damage on a parrrley crit is insane and you can actually 1v1 divers
By the time you have an IE 1v1's shouldn't be happening anymore unless split pushing is going on. With the meta being support Ad bot there is also no reason to give up your jungle to another heavy ad unless he brings something very special like a noc ult. That is why we see a lot of tanky dps coming out of the jungle right now so they can beef up the front line of team fights.
what part of 'tanky dps' is difficult for you to grasp, is it the dps bit
I was saying that while you will do dmg the main draw to a in your face tanky gp is the slows you apply. unless the person you are on is super glass cannon you will not kill them alone most of the time.
or he can still do good aoe damage and fear a high priority target while being difficult to kill
Noc can not be both hard to kill and do good AoE unless he gets some ad. If you go the Tanky noc route it is always after you have acquired dmg and usually at the 25 min mark is when you start getting any defense. Super late game noc can do this but most games are decided before then.
same argument goes for any other bruiser
Noc is not a bruiser. You can't get away with building tank because even with Q your ad and Attack speed still wont be enough to kill the squishy before the enemy team turns around and squashes you for your ult putting you in such horrible positioning. if your team can win a 4v5 with you poking at the front and you can save your ult for when all CC's are blown sure its good but if all cc is used up you usually have lost 1-2 team members.
or how about you pick him as much as possible if gp and lee sin aren't banned because he's op as fuck
This argument has no substance try describing how is he "OP" rather than just stating he is.
Also on an personal rant BUY PINK WARDS SUPPORTS
You are one of those people that think only supports buy wards i bet. If your jungle isn't using wriggles and getting a few wards here and there you are typically doing it wrong. If you see a ward go down at dragon and your support can't take the time to get a pink ward and counter it because if he leaves the lane they lose it then it comes down to the jungler. it also most benefits the jungler to restrict map vision for the enemy team early on so i see it as a required purchase at times.
I might be new to the smogon forums but if you think i will submit to such flimsy arguments you have another thing coming. Try actually explaining your reasoning rather than posting one line responses and maybe we can get a debate going that will ultimately help us understand the game better. If im in the wrong you can yell at me later gene.
I can't speak for nocbut all of those junglers clear red with high hp and at worst you run away with your red stolen. Gp gets very low and you can easily kill him AND take his red making his ganks and jungle far less effective.
neither is pre-6 amumu and warwick, nunu, udyr, shaco
Did you really just call shacos pre 6 ganks nothing? Ok putting that aside i have and will continue to pull off ganks with a lvl 4 mummy constantly. A bandage toss and red buff ensure at the very least a flash. Getting a flash is a successful gank because now your lane has an advantage.
(GP) his ult doesn't start fights, it is a large aoe slow to confine people once the fight starts
Once a fight has started the ONLY reason they will disengage is if you have already won that fight. It will help you clean up yes but it doesn't directly help you win the fight aside from some minor dmg.I prefer to pick champions that let me straight up win the team fight with a lot of hp on my team left so we can baron/tower/dragon.
which isn't necessarily bad, the damage on a parrrley crit is insane and you can actually 1v1 divers
By the time you have an IE 1v1's shouldn't be happening anymore unless split pushing is going on. With the meta being support Ad bot there is also no reason to give up your jungle to another heavy ad unless he brings something very special like a noc ult. That is why we see a lot of tanky dps coming out of the jungle right now so they can beef up the front line of team fights.
what part of 'tanky dps' is difficult for you to grasp, is it the dps bit
I was saying that while you will do dmg the main draw to a in your face tanky gp is the slows you apply. unless the person you are on is super glass cannon you will not kill them alone most of the time.
or he can still do good aoe damage and fear a high priority target while being difficult to kill
Noc can not be both hard to kill and do good AoE unless he gets some ad. If you go the Tanky noc route it is always after you have acquired dmg and usually at the 25 min mark is when you start getting any defense. Super late game noc can do this but most games are decided before then.
same argument goes for any other bruiser
Noc is not a bruiser. You can't get away with building tank because even with Q your ad and Attack speed still wont be enough to kill the squishy before the enemy team turns around and squashes you for your ult putting you in such horrible positioning. if your team can win a 4v5 with you poking at the front and you can save your ult for when all CC's are blown sure its good but if all cc is used up you usually have lost 1-2 team members.
or how about you pick him as much as possible if gp and lee sin aren't banned because he's op as fuck
This argument has no substance try describing how is he "OP" rather than just stating he is.
Also on an personal rant BUY PINK WARDS SUPPORTS
You are one of those people that think only supports buy wards i bet. If your jungle isn't using wriggles and getting a few wards here and there you are typically doing it wrong. If you see a ward go down at dragon and your support can't take the time to get a pink ward and counter it because if he leaves the lane they lose it then it comes down to the jungler. it also most benefits the jungler to restrict map vision for the enemy team early on so i see it as a required purchase at times.
I might be new to the smogon forums but if you think i will submit to such flimsy arguments you have another thing coming. Try actually explaining your reasoning rather than posting one line responses and maybe we can get a debate going that will ultimately help us understand the game better. If im in the wrong you can yell at me later gene.
I take back everything I said about Nunu - I bought Morgana with my IP and she is just dominating. Maybe I'm just playing bad players, but she definitely seems excellent, or at least someone I'm comfortable with.
My best game thus far has been 17-0, and I've had one other with no deaths, but less kills. I've only had a few losses wither her though. :D
This game is slowly destroying my life guys help ;_;
My best game thus far has been 17-0, and I've had one other with no deaths, but less kills. I've only had a few losses wither her though. :D
This game is slowly destroying my life guys help ;_;
Just out of curiosity what constitutes a "bruiser" to you?
Just a tip: pick up Garen. Unless my team is composed entirely of Rally-wielding feeding machines, I usually go legendary every game, and have had more than a few no-death games. Seriously, if you're looking to pubstomp, there is really nothing better than Garen.
Holy shit.
Dominion is even worse for making you rage at team mates.
You should have to check a box before every game that says, "I promise not to push for boneyard like an effing idiot and then die letting the enemy team capture all five points."
I like Kayle in Dominion. I just buy the recommended items. Her combo crushes.
Dominion is even worse for making you rage at team mates.
You should have to check a box before every game that says, "I promise not to push for boneyard like an effing idiot and then die letting the enemy team capture all five points."
I like Kayle in Dominion. I just buy the recommended items. Her combo crushes.
you're probably playing bad players but morgana is also a top ban at the moment because she's very strong as an ap carry mid.
This isn't a great example because it was my first win of the day, but hey, at least Dominion hands out absolutely absurd amounts of IP(check the game time)!
Been enjoying Dominion a lot lately and glad it'll be there whenever I want it now, because I think it's a lot more fun than playing Summoner's Rift with a team full of pugs when the friends are busy. Mostly using Ryze and Gangplank right now, though I'd been playing Renekton, Garen and Karthus a bit before working on getting really set on those. Feel good enough about my item build/mastery/rune options on GP and Ryze in Dominion now and it's helping a bit. One thing I've started trying on Ryze is starting Catalyst out of the gate to dominate the fight at the top node some, which is something I think would work for most APs but obviously is best for Ryze since he actually builds it every game anyway. Generally you get in combat at the top node at level 4 and it often is drawn out until level 6 so you end up with one proc during the fight and one to clean up. Really awesome sustain that tends to dominate that first fight if you can get away with not having boots that long... I need to pay people to play GP or Nunu with me to run me around until I can get boots or something.
Having some pretty serious web issues the past few days though, cutting way into my league of legends time...
Been enjoying Dominion a lot lately and glad it'll be there whenever I want it now, because I think it's a lot more fun than playing Summoner's Rift with a team full of pugs when the friends are busy. Mostly using Ryze and Gangplank right now, though I'd been playing Renekton, Garen and Karthus a bit before working on getting really set on those. Feel good enough about my item build/mastery/rune options on GP and Ryze in Dominion now and it's helping a bit. One thing I've started trying on Ryze is starting Catalyst out of the gate to dominate the fight at the top node some, which is something I think would work for most APs but obviously is best for Ryze since he actually builds it every game anyway. Generally you get in combat at the top node at level 4 and it often is drawn out until level 6 so you end up with one proc during the fight and one to clean up. Really awesome sustain that tends to dominate that first fight if you can get away with not having boots that long... I need to pay people to play GP or Nunu with me to run me around until I can get boots or something.
Having some pretty serious web issues the past few days though, cutting way into my league of legends time...
Don't use your RP on Pantheon unless you REEEEEEEEALLY like the manleap. He is not that good besides that
Pantheon is easily a top-10 champion in Dominion and I think is in general a lot better in Summoner's Rift than people give him credit for post-buffs. While a few of them are probably a bit better than the others I think he's definitely right up there with what would probably be the top Dominion group in Rammus, Nocturne, Heimerdinger, Gangplank, Jax, Akali, and him. There's plenty of other good heroes in Dominion(ex Alistar Eve Ezreal Garen Irelia Karthus Leblanc Lee Sin Poppy Ryze Shaco Singed Udyr) but Pantheon is definitely part of that elite group thanks to the combination of his ult and good small skarmish fighting ability.
When you're buying characters personal preference is the big thing, though, especially if you don't have the IP/RP to buy a lot of champions. Champions are always going to get nerfed and buffed over time, which makes buying fotm pretty dangerous -- I think the important thing when you're buying them is to find champions that have playstyles you enjoy. If you like Pantheon's toolset, you'll probably enjoy the purchase.
When you're buying characters personal preference is the big thing, though, especially if you don't have the IP/RP to buy a lot of champions. Champions are always going to get nerfed and buffed over time, which makes buying fotm pretty dangerous -- I think the important thing when you're buying them is to find champions that have playstyles you enjoy. If you like Pantheon's toolset, you'll probably enjoy the purchase.