What if I wanted to use Confusion / Swift / Mist / Shock Wave Mewtwo?
Then you're bad at Pokemon. Just because people don't know how to use a Pokemon, doesn't mean it's not broken. Though that set DOES counter Baton Pass...
Also, yeah. Anyone who voted Snow Warning Uber should probably never vote again.
Also, for the sake of argument, I would like to post a list of all Pokemon that fully and undoubtedly counter Baton Pass:
Absol
Altaria
Azumarill
Celebi
Dewgong
Gengar
Honchkrow
Jynx
Kricketune
Lapras
Marowak
(when released) Meloetta
Mismagius
Murkrow
Politoed
Wigglytuff
Arbok
Blastoise
Chandelure
Cofagrigus
Crobat
Cryogonal
Dodrio
Dragonite
Drifblim
Garbodor
Kingler
Mantine
Masquerain
Milotic
Muk
Omastar
Octillery
Poliwrath
Quagsire
Qwilfish
Seaking
Seviper
Skuntank
Tentacruel
Vaporeon
Xatu.
Take out all the RU Trash and you get
Azumarill
Celebi
Gengar
(when released) Meloetta
Mismagius
Politoed
Chandelure
Crobat
Dragonite
Milotic
Quagsire
Tentacruel
Vaporeon
Xatu
All of these Pokemon can learn Haze, Perish Song, or both. That's
one move. If you say that Baton Pass is broken because it forces you to use a move that nobody would ever use,
tough shit. Adjusting 1/24 of your team to provide a full stop to a playstyle isn't overcentralizing, it isn't overcontrolling the metagame, it isn't
over-anything. If you have a Politoed, maybe run Perish Song over Toxic or Protect. Is that going to kill you? NO! Maybe run Haze over Toxic on your Quagsire! Maybe run Haze over Roar on your damn Vaporeon (though Roar works well too...)!
Even without those two auto-win moves,
there are other fucking ways to beat Baton Pass. Overpower it. Use Choice Band Haxorus. That will probably kill two Pokemon as it is. I don't think anything BP has is liking Specs Meteor from Latios. Taunt+DD Haxorus probably slays Baton Pass anyway. If you're running a stall team and you lose to BP, well guess what? Your team is weak to BP! So tweak your team! Stall has no more right to exist in this metagame than Baton Pass does!
Voters: If you voted "ban" on Baton Pass because it was "cheap" or "gay", please post in this thread that you are sorry for forgetting
Smogon's Philosophy and promise you'll never make the same mistake again. If you voted it broken because of "uncompetitiveness", please apologize for forgetting
Smogon's Philosophy and promise you'll never make the same mistake again. If you banned it for "overcentralization", then, well, there isn't much hope for Suspect Testing, so it's a good idea that Suspect Testing is going away.
If you banned it because it was legitimately broken, then, well, I disagree!
Also, have non-Pokemon bans become the standard? If you think SmashPass is broken, then ban Gorebyss, Huntail, and Smeargle. They're broken (if you think SP is broken), so shouldn't they be banned? Why fault Baton Pass as a whole, which isn't remotely broken?
EDIT: Wow I fail at BB Code -__-