Yeah I didn't either until I actually saw it happening @_@
Also would it be possible if you guys can include in your paragraphs why you are banning Snow Warning (if you're banning Snow Warning, anyway) instead of Abomasnow / Snow Cloak etc?
We could, but it would be pointless. It's not really up to us whether we ban Snow Warning or Snow Cloak or Abomasnow (frankly, Abomasnow is really a dead topic, i wish people would stop bringing it up), what matters is if the suspect we are given as a senate is broken or not.
I mean, why do you need us to explain it to you here and in the paragraphs? In my opinion, the paragraphs should completely leave it out so not to bias any votes to the side of "wrong suspect, no ban even though it's broken".
Well, i prefer focusing on the main problem,and then if it doesn't get banned we can move on to the next one.It's not like if Snow Cloak doesn't get banned(either by simple ban or combo ban),that we can't make anymore suspects...
Also even if i said that Hail is dominant for many reasons,the reason that pushes Hail over the fence and makes it broken is Snow Cloak.So it is clear that my problem is Snow Cloak inside Hail and not Hail. Can't you see why i cannot stand Snow Warning being the primary suspect?
Because for me,it is not the source of the problem.I don't want Hail banned because it is an entire playstyle of which we have no concrete evidence of being broken.
I'm assuming you've read this entire thread and you know for a fact that what you're saying is completely false (and yet, here we are). There is ample evidence that hail as a playstyle is broken.
alexwolf said:
If we first decided to make a suspect Snow Cloak / Snow Cloak + Snow Warning and it didn't get banned it will be cool for me,since it would at least have gotten a chance to be banned.
But now we disregard the main problem,and we are heading to a solution with huge collateral damage.
I agree that Snow Cloak is the main factor, but we can't just ban Snow Cloak because it won't get through the senate / Jabba, it will be an endless circle of "this is the wrong suspect" votes. I don't understand why you would honestly prefer nothing being banned rather than just Snow Cloak. The collateral damage is minimal when considering that hail as a playstyle is broken, and while narrowing it down would be beneficial it is not necessary for a valid ban.
alexwolf said:
I know that not everyone posts here but it is one of the few ways you senate members can learn people's opinion.And if i remember right isn't the senate ought to bring suspects after discussing them in public. So if the majority of the people in the megathread,and in the forums in general,don't want Snow Warning banned and prefer Snow Cloak banned,i cannot understand why you should ignore them... Don't we chose the suspects,with your help,and you chose what gets banned?
Hail in general was being complained about when it was chosen as the suspect a very long time ago, not sure if you were reading at that point. Somehow we arrived on Abomasnow as a suspect (I literally have no idea how that happened) and there was an outcry from the megathread, and we changed it. The community helps the senate choose the suspect and the senate votes. This ignorant banter about the senate ignoring the megathread needs to stop because it's baseless and lowers the entire threads credibility.