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Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 (DS, June in JP, Fall in EU/NA/AU) - Updated May 12th
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Remember that, in addition to move tutors, some Pokemon will get additional level up and egg moves in new games. That's how Scizor got Bullet Punch (platinum) and Kingler got Agility (HGSS) etc.
Here's a few things I'd find awesome:
-Kingler needs Waterfall!
It's scandalous to get Sheer Force in the DW and have no STAB attack to abuse it. Kingler has the highest attack of any Water type and though it's been slightly upstaged by Adaptability Crawdaunt, its Sheer Force, STAB and Life Orb boosted Waterfalls would be on par with Crawdaunt's. There is some hope that they'll correct this oversight. Gen IV Scizor learned Light Screen as an Egg move but could not learn it by TM. The situation was reversed in Gen V.
-Gear Change Metagross
This is pure wishful thinking but it's not uncommon for moves that start out as signature moves to be eventually distributed to other Pokemon. Blaze Kick, for example, was once Blaziken's signature but now Hitmonlee (among others) learns it as well. A move that doubles Metagross' speed AND gives it a boost to its already monstrous attack would make it a deadly sweeper: Agiligross on steroids.
I also hope for tutors to bring back useful TMs that got the shaft (Sleep Talk, Dark Pulse, Roost).
Here's a few things I'd find awesome:
-Kingler needs Waterfall!
It's scandalous to get Sheer Force in the DW and have no STAB attack to abuse it. Kingler has the highest attack of any Water type and though it's been slightly upstaged by Adaptability Crawdaunt, its Sheer Force, STAB and Life Orb boosted Waterfalls would be on par with Crawdaunt's. There is some hope that they'll correct this oversight. Gen IV Scizor learned Light Screen as an Egg move but could not learn it by TM. The situation was reversed in Gen V.
-Gear Change Metagross
This is pure wishful thinking but it's not uncommon for moves that start out as signature moves to be eventually distributed to other Pokemon. Blaze Kick, for example, was once Blaziken's signature but now Hitmonlee (among others) learns it as well. A move that doubles Metagross' speed AND gives it a boost to its already monstrous attack would make it a deadly sweeper: Agiligross on steroids.
I also hope for tutors to bring back useful TMs that got the shaft (Sleep Talk, Dark Pulse, Roost).
As long as they add more depth to unova im happy. Unova was terribly dull. Also the battle subway will probably leave you to the battle frontier hopefully emeralds bf or an entirely new one.
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Crabhammer? Or do crit chances not count for Sheer Force Boosts.
Personally, I'm hoping they give Kingler Razor Shell and Icicle Crash. I think Waterfall Kingler is a lost cause at this point. While it's true that certain Pokemon have gained and lost TM moves in later generations, I don't think that's happened since Gen 3. Razor Shell still gets an impressive 146 BP after Sheer Force and STAB while Icicle Crash gets to 110 BP.
Edit: High crit moves don't get a boost from Sheer Force. Maybe GF will just change the mechanics in BW2 after they realize that Kingler's signature move is still pretty bad.
Edit: High crit moves don't get a boost from Sheer Force. Maybe GF will just change the mechanics in BW2 after they realize that Kingler's signature move is still pretty bad.
they do not.
Hey you know what I would kind of like: Ability to finally take Spiky-eared Pichu out of HGSS. And it could evolve into Spiky Pikachu and Spiky Raichu and breed and everything.
As an ultra-gimmicky deal it could have its own separate egg move pool and be able to nab all the event Pikachu moves.
As an ultra-gimmicky deal it could have its own separate egg move pool and be able to nab all the event Pikachu moves.
I just want FP Haxorus......completely unresisted coverage *sigh*
Something I have to really wonder about is, how are they going to make these "sequels"? Why are they parting from the time-tested model of third-game-with-bonus-features? They have to have something new planned, or else these games are going to lose a LOT of money on the sheer basis of disappointment. I mean, who wouldn't be angry with them for hawking two "new" games when previously they just made one? So where's that new feature going to come in? The standard model for dual new games is a whole new region or a remake, and we already know it's going to be neither of those. Most of the Unova story is wrapped up, and they'll have to be extremely delicate to avoid running into conflicts with the original story. So what gives? Is the new story going to be so damn awesome that it overrides everything else? Will we just have to put up with Grey for double the appropriate price? The Hoenn theory seems likely for no other reason than that it's something pretty new that they could use as a major selling point, but I'm not sure how it would be properly integrated. The people at Nintendo and Game Freak are not stupid. They know how this can go wrong. So what masterstroke do they have planned?
Perhaps there is no RS remake so BW2 and Grey will be Game Freak's way of making this gen last for for years? Or maybe there will be no Grey version at all and this is Game Freak attempting to break away for the same formula that they've been using so far. Or maybe this is just a "test" to see how the market reacts to direct sequels in the pokemon series. When the DS was released Nintendo said that it would not replace the gameboy brand in the event that it didn't perform well. It could be a similar situation.
Hey guys, do you remember that table MeroMero posted about alternate formes? How many formes (not sprites, FORMES) did Kyurem have? I think it was only two (the original one and a placeholder); if I'm right, then it's strange Kyurem now has THREE formes... Unless they pull a FRLG Deoxys on us.
:okay: but I don't like to use Chrome to translate, it usually throws gibberish when it's about east-asia languages :T. But easy, it's not make a fuss about a mistake.
As for the game, remember that the Shadow Triad implies Ghetsis is trying to pull a Xanatos Gambit on you after they give you the orbs/spheres. Maybe he's looking for N to get his revenge plus his dragon to fuse it with Kyurem, then go after the PC to fuse his/her dragon with Black/White Kyurem and get the original dragon.
As for the DNA theory, I think it's not necesary, given that if the three dragons were one and for X or Y reason they split, there's another X or Y method to fuse them without resorting to DNA manipulation (remember that Reshiram and Zekrom were just a couple of pretty stones ).
Seems pretty likely, though hopefully that's not the case, and it just learns the move depending on which forme it's in, more like Rotom's formes than Meloetta. Ideally it would also be able to be replaced, because Ice Beam may often end up being more useful, not that 140 BP STAB moves with a 30% chance of burn/paralysis is bad.
I find all the "THEY'RE SEQUELS
" talk perplexing, frankly. When people found out the Japanese release was in June they predicted an end-of-year or January 2013 release due to the usual time lag for translation. Then they announced the international release timeframe as autumn.
The guy who translated the games (stuff in small letters only until Gen III) until Diamond/Pearl said he was surprised they'd manage to get it done that quickly.
Face it. BW2 are the Platinum to BW's Diamond and Pearl. They're just BW's story over again with some changes which include the new Kyurem forms they've revealed. They'll likely include some of the features HG/SS added like Pokémon following along behind you which BW didn't have due to BW and HG/SS being developed in parallel. They'll probably have rematches of Gym Leaders and trainers. They may well have move tutors. They may have some sprite changes or alterations.
The guy who translated the games (stuff in small letters only until Gen III) until Diamond/Pearl said he was surprised they'd manage to get it done that quickly.
So think about it. If they're releasing it earlier than usual, then there's probably a lot of text that can get used without needing to be tested to make sure it works okay and doesn't cause weird errors like fighting a trainer over and over again forever. That rather puts a kibosh on wild ideas like revisiting Hoenn or whatever other absurd nonsense is spewing out of Giancarloparimango's orifice this week.Doug Dinsdale said:
Face it. BW2 are the Platinum to BW's Diamond and Pearl. They're just BW's story over again with some changes which include the new Kyurem forms they've revealed. They'll likely include some of the features HG/SS added like Pokémon following along behind you which BW didn't have due to BW and HG/SS being developed in parallel. They'll probably have rematches of Gym Leaders and trainers. They may well have move tutors. They may have some sprite changes or alterations.
I'm not sure why I thought it was Swift then, however I was thinking 4th Gen Mechanics still applied, where Nature Power was forced to Building, which is Tri-Attack. Maybe I got it muddled with a Secret Power animation. I dunno.
Good luck with a TM list change.
And SR is already everywhere, it's bearable.
Highly unlikly, seeing as it's already confirmed the Tao Trio is involved, and they're B/W sequels. Kyurem is chilling in the Giant Chasm.
Also, speaking of which, I would love there to be a plot reason to encourage me to actually go to the East side of Unova. It's duller than Sevii there. And no, the hide and seek dosen't count, especially when most of the Sages are on the West/South side [I belive there's 2 on the West, 3 in the South, 1 on the East].
If he started to work full time in Generation III, then he should know that Ruby and Sapphire's localization only took four months; those games constituted an entirely new generation. Considering that Emerald's localization period was twice as long as that, I would say that localization time is not derived strictly by some formula of the number of new text characters.
Black and White's localization took 5.5 months. For all we know, an Autumn release could mean a November date, which could be exactly 5.5 months after the Japanese release. Even if we're dealing with a shorter gap, no one thinks that the sequels are a brand new generation. I think the main reason the games will be released in 2012 is that otherwise PokéPark 2 would be the only 2012 Pokémon title released outside Japan, and also because releasing DS games in 2013 would be pushing it.
The Japanese website states that the story is a completely new adventure. Considering that they've never falsely presented the third versions as brand new games, I don't see why they would start now.
I know that i'm sure crying over in my corner that we actually are getting new content to the games instead of the same thing repackaged.
What makes a TM change unlikely? They're not tradeable anymore, so it wouldn't cause any compatibility issues. They changed HMs between DPPt and HGSS, and TMs are basically delete-able HMs now.
I can't argue with Unown Lord's point regarding translation time, and I'm not going to bother Dinsdale by asking him about why Gen III took such a short time to translate.
This means "The legendary Pokémon shrouded in mystery."
And this means "The latest entry in the Pokémon series will be released for the Nintendo DS in June 2012!"
It does? I can't see that.
@Ketsuban, I don't see a your motivation for trying to bash in all our hopes... you see, I don't see a problem in thinking that Game Freak is simply looking for something new, after 4 're-releases' in the main series people might get bored (like myself). This 'new thing' could be a sequel to the first BW games... I mean, why not, you know? It would be a sensational variation from all the previous things done with Pkmn. Also, look at the names of games, BW2. 2! not Pokemon Grey or something, no, just nr. 2. I don't even know if your Japanese translations are correct and you're only trying to prove us you're right (as i do not know ANY Japanese) but I disagree. I'm convinced that these games are direct sequels to the previous games, as in my opinion it is a very logical choice of GF and there could be great profits to be made from this 'revolutionary idea' (I'm personally extremely bored from the 're-release' concept, as I already stated). For now we can only wait and see what news will reach us...
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