I mean Balanced Hackmons is a metagame in which banning pokemon is something that has never been done before. The only thing that I could see convincing people that a pokemon should even consider a suspect is the fact they all Mega Rayquaza stats and can carry an item. So with this logic Primal Dialga would be banned if it came out. Mega Rayquaza was obviously more powerful in Ubers but in BH the main 3 are not as overly centeralizing. Chansey is actually used more than these suspects. Mega Rayquaza at #2 barely under Chansey, Primal Groudon at #3 and Primal Kyogre at #10. This at 1760 by the way. Other stats also have Chansey #1. Obviously these 3 pokemon aren't as overly centralizing as everyone in this thread is saying.
another reason the Hoenn Trio are suspected rather than chansey is due to their unpredictability. while chansey is pretty much guaranteed imposter/fur coat, megaray, primaldon, and primal ogre all have a vast variety of viable movesets available. the uncertainty of the sets makes it nearly impossible to check or counter, as your "check" may as well end up being nuked by a different set you weren't prepared for. then you watch in stunned disbelief as they bring out their other set, which your check/counter,now ko'd, could've walled.
Well at least now that aegislash is banned the deos should be retested. But the ou council is stupid and will not retest it. Deo-S may have been good offensively too but Deo-D was not at all banworthy. The rise of stallbreaker mew would also counter it; it only had the lead set basically. Someone made a great point: If you lose to bisharp after it gets a defiant boost you had nothing for sd bisharp. So only bad players were losing to this strategy.
Then you say bh has bad stats, look at the highest stats. Even there Kyogre is low. I really don't like people who make the "ladder is aids but I am not" argument, and then you discard my opinion, just proving that you don't really know what you are saying.
The bans were undeserved not because of the usage stats, those are just simultaneous events. It goes to show that the bans were undeserved, people weren't abusing it because it wasnt op. Greninja had disgusting usage, it was on all of my offense teams. Why? Because it was so good. Mawile had low usage because aegislash was legal. The order of the bans was wrong, but they were still both banworthy (well for aegislash it was more of a philosophical question than one based on opness) Usage isnt the exact viability, but when you get to S rank mons or suspects, then it is. (mega amphy has a niche and i know that but i never use it. But between s rank mons ofc i will use charx more than clefable) And when i say council i guess i mean the voters as well. but look at the nonsense voter restrictions that the ou council is creating. They clearly want some people to vote more than others. and once again now that aegislash is gone spinblocking is dead.
I agree with Megazard, why argue about OU policies in BH suspect?
and honestly, i dont get your logic. what's the point of mentioning mega amphy? and your personal opinion of choosing char-x over clefable doesn't actually signify which one's better; char-x is for balanced/HO, clefable for stall. you're comparing two completely different things, making your opinion worthless.
anyway,to point out flaws among your arguments
mawile had low usage because aegislash was legal.
likewise, you can say "kyogre has low usage because megaray is legal". ban megaray but not primal ogre, and primal ogre will suddenly shoot up the usage stats, as megaray is a constant threat to primal ogre due to aerilate priority.
greninja had disgusting usage...because it was so good.
"megaray has disgusting usage because its so good". once again, just mirroring the OU suspects to right now in BH. greninja wasn't #1 in usage, neither was megaray. greninja got banned. and, good is an opinion. is it truly "good"? that's for everyone's own opinion. don't say that it deserved being banned because you thought it should've been banned.
your earlier post: "mawile, greninja, and mence were disgusting". relative usage stats: "primal ogre,megaray,and primaldon were disgusting". and, once again, disgusting is an opinion. if anything, mawile,greninja,and mence in ou are tamer than the hoenn trio in BH,because at least in OU,their sets are predictable and easily walled. BH? not at all
water moves counter primal groudon
what about megaray? it also has a 4x weakness to ice! might as well say, "ice moves counter megaray, so it shouldn't be banned" at least primaldon can run desolate land, storm drain,or water absorb to overcome that while megaray has...thick fat? delta stream?
steam eruption is for shedinja too
um...no. have you heard of refresh or recycle+lum berry before? gl with beating shed! oh, i know! stall out its recycles-wait...i knew i shouldve used scald! okay,scald and stall out shedinja's recycles-wait, scald only has 30% burn rate,and 24 pp...that's average 7.2 burns for all of the pp...nope,not going to hit shedinja with this.
because megaray was even banned to AG
well,the major reason it went to AG was because it didnt even need an item to mega. it could run life orb to boost its already insanely high stats, and it also happened to have access to a very powerful flying move; of which, flying has the best single-type coverage among any type. in BH, no mega or primal needs their held item, and any poke can learn any real move, other than hyperspace fury,reserved for hoopa-u. so your comment about megaray being banned to AG is irrelevant.
When you face six kyogres and cant tell them apart then there is real trouble. The ability to know your opponents sets but not be able to tell is disgusting. We need a nickname clause now.
and this is partially why primal ogre should be banned. it's not because of equal nicknames, but because of all the different yet viable sets that primal ogre can run. see 1 move, and you could probably be able to identify which kyogre is which, regardless. nickname clause is not needed at all.