Pokemon Scarlet & Violet - 18th Nov 2022! **OFFICIAL INFO ONLY**

Cuddly said:
The delay in Pokemon Home definitely has to do with the recent Tera Raids crashing your game. It’s not a coincidence that they announced this after people’s games started crashing.
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Except nothing about the Paradox event raids causing crashes, because of their drop tables having null materials, matters to Home.

All Home does is look at the Pokemon on the save file. If anything would matter to that it would likely be on the actual update to the game coming next week; and even then that's focused on live competition issues.
 
It may be that they will do a hot fix of the raid issue as a higher priority, then after completing that, merge it into the changes they have to release for Home compatibility as lower priority. Maybe they are only willing to sequence the releases in that way. This is what I am thinking.

Could have been someone pulling the trigger on a post that shouldn't have gone out, but I think the timing is too conspicuous.
 
RocketSurgery said:
Serebii even posted times that the update/maintenance was supposed to happen:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659203658704355337

Not sure if this was from the press site or something, but seems oddly specific to have a date and release times that are just wrong.
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The date and time were originally just posted on all the relevant pokemon.com article versions, so it applies to every western language announcement on there.
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https://web.archive.org/web/2023051...mon-scarlet-and-pokemon-violet-is-coming-soon

Meanwhile, the Korean site has finally updated. Now we can bask in these full resolution pictures of Pikachu in Pokemon HOME. On the Korean side we get the Level 5 Pikachu in HOME and the Level 25 Alola Pikachu in the smartphone version.
https://pokemonkorea.co.kr/news/5/13230
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A note is that these HOME pictures are timestamped from May 9, though every other page has the same timestamps even on older images.
https://data1.pokemonkorea.co.kr/newdata/2023/05/2023-05-09_15-51-46-58462-1683615106.jpg
Not all of them follow the same trend. The starter pics are from May 18.
https://data1.pokemonkorea.co.kr/newdata/2023/05/2023-05-18_13-33-45-99431-1684384425.png
The shot of Gholdengo is marked May 19.
https://data1.pokemonkorea.co.kr/newdata/2023/05/2023-05-19_14-01-52-52038-1684472512.png

Notably the Korean update was so late that they have the latest Chesnaught news bulletin from yesterday, though no LP transfer image for SV and they still have the old example of Tyranitar in battle data. For comparison, JP uses Greninja's raid rerun announcement, TC dates to February 28, and SC has Typhlosion's raid initial announcement.
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Once again we have another perspective on the move relearner function and it's the same deal about learning relearnable moves in advance, though putting the moves "learned so far" as a separate note.

Also this is late but looking on BDSP's page, I noticed this notice that says you can only put 1 of each legendary from a save file into HOME. I guess this is how gamefreak addresses clones, but I guess this would also stop you from trading two Dialga and trying to deposit them both from the same game. I guess I missed it or forgot because it wasn't relevant for me, but this was a thing that happened that was actually a problem for some people.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/314255-pokemon-brilliant-diamond/80026849
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doipy hooves said:
Also this is late but looking on BDSP's page, I noticed this notice that says you can only put 1 of each legendary from a save file into HOME. I guess this is how gamefreak addresses clones, but I guess this would also stop you from trading two Dialga and trying to deposit them both from the same game. I guess I missed it or forgot because it wasn't relevant for me, but this was a thing that happened that was actually a problem for some people.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/314255-pokemon-brilliant-diamond/80026849
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Yes that's been a thing since last year's Home update; we had to do some testing because of vague wording maybe indicating that ANY extras would trigger the warning but iirc near as we can tell it only puts the check on exact clones.
 
R_N said:
Except nothing about the Paradox event raids causing crashes, because of their drop tables having null materials, matters to Home.

All Home does is look at the Pokemon on the save file. If anything would matter to that it would likely be on the actual update to the game coming next week; and even then that's focused on live competition issues.
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They’re gonna need to release an emergency patch to fix the raid issue, which is why Home is being delayed. Only a small amount of people are currently working on the game compared to all the development, so it’s pretty reasonable (or unreasonable depending your views) that they’d need to delay it.
 
Cuddly said:
They’re gonna need to release an emergency patch to fix the raid issue, which is why Home is being delayed. Only a small amount of people are currently working on the game compared to all the development, so it’s pretty reasonable (or unreasonable depending your views) that they’d need to delay it.
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They don't need to do a patch to fix the raid issue, though. They should be able to easily set custom raid tables without it. And lord knows this isn't an urgent matter anyway....the Iron Leaves/Walking Wake matter was significantly more urgent and that still took like what 2 months to fix and that did require a version update probably because of the Bad Eggs issue.
 
I understand that this isn’t a delay or anything since the Japanese and Korean sites never assigned a date, but I have to question how it’s possible that they could mess up communication this badly. It’s genuinely really depressing how many things have been going badly for the franchise in general lately between Timi’s balancing choices in Unite, Niantic’s… everything in terms of GO, and now this mishap by TPCI, plus the multiple raid issues.
 
Cheryl. said:
It's still early 2023.... right guys? :psycry:
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Someone please back me up if you have more info, but I do remember back when Legends Arceus still had "early 2022" as its release date, Amazon posted a placeholder release date of June 30, 2022.

Does anyone know if any other retailers or TPC/Nintendo themselves did this? Does anyone know if something similar has ever happened for the word "early"?

doipy hooves said:
Also this is late but looking on BDSP's page, I noticed this notice that says you can only put 1 of each legendary from a save file into HOME. I guess this is how gamefreak addresses clones, but I guess this would also stop you from trading two Dialga and trying to deposit them both from the same game. I guess I missed it or forgot because it wasn't relevant for me, but this was a thing that happened that was actually a problem for some people.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/314255-pokemon-brilliant-diamond/80026849
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R_N said:
Yes that's been a thing since last year's Home update; we had to do some testing because of vague wording maybe indicating that ANY extras would trigger the warning but iirc near as we can tell it only puts the check on exact clones.
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Any extras do trigger the warning and it doesn't have to be a clone. Not only can you trip over this with local trades, but you can also trip over this with official event Pokemon (South Korea got an event Regigigas). The super dumb thing is that the check is based on the depositing game's save file ID (invisible number generated when a new save file is created) rather than Trainer ID. To trigger the warning, both Dialga/etc. must have never touched Home before.

This is actually not to stop clones but rather to stop the non-cloning infinite Dialga/Palkia glitch where one save file could catch unlimited box legendaries and none of them would be clones of each other.
 
Well Home didn't get its update, but the previously announced patch (the one that was just randomly set for sometime between 22 & 26th) for SV is out now at least. This one focuses on fixing issues with the online competition, though it also " Other select bug fixes have been implemented. "

I assume those addressed the other issues with competitions that aren't in the patch notes but were mentioned elsewhere

So at least one thing went right this week!
 
Considering the Japanese Pokemon's Twitter didn't actually specify a date until now, I wouldn't say it was ever meant to be the 24th to begin with, and I do not believe the Paradox raid bug had anything to do with HOME compatibility. The Paradox bug only delayed the in-game raids itself, HOME compatibility was completely unrelated.

All they did originally was announce features of the new Version 3.0 of HOME and talk about what will change with it, the international social media intern jumped the gun and mixed things up and posted May 24th in error. What we did end up getting yesterday was a small patch for SV, and the likely scenario is that the social media manager for TPCi mixed up things there and mistakenly posted that HOME compatibility would come out on the 24th and was called out by other folks in the room afterward.

I still think communication issues went on behind the scenes and I do hope that the folks in the room have learned their lesson now but insinuating that it was ever delayed and that the Paradox raid bug had anything to do with it is an incredibly cynical notion and has no basis in actual reality when you look at everything, including what actually happened in the Japan side of things.
 
doipy hooves said:
With all the vagueness of HOME and the move transfers, I choose to be pessimistic and interpret it as there not being any mixing of transfer moves between the Switch games. However this still leads to some different ways gamefreak can handle this depending on the interpretation of what learning a move entails, and if you can learn a move across games that you technically wouldn't have access to in one game alone. Here are some mysterious scenarios I propose. What answers do you think would happen?

1: Does Breloom learn Spore?


2: Can Hisuian Decidueye learn Astonish?


3: Can a non-hatched SV Pikachu learn Volt Tackle?
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I have some updates to these minor mysteries now that I have access to HOME:

1: Breloom does not learn Spore. I haven't seen for myself, but it seems that the general consensus is that Breloom cannot carry Spore over from BDSP or any other game into SV. This also probably extends to 2: Decidueye and Astonish in the same way as being a move not listed in the actual learnset.

3: Despite the prior results, Pikachu does learn Volt Tackle! I transferred over a PLA native Raichu who was taught Volt Tackle and it kept it, so despite not being an egg move for the purposes of Mirror Herb, it is still recognized as part of Pikachu's learnset for the purposes of Home's memory and can be easily taught in PLA to any Pikachu family member.
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I also taught Volt Tackle to the Flying Pikachu event and it worked the same way, so the combination of Fly and Volt Tackle is another moveset that's legalized now. The Unrivaled Pikachu can also gain Volt Tackle with no problem now.
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AztecCroc said:
It might be able to be worked around though? What if you have Dartrix learn Astonish in SV or transfer it to SV as a Dartrix with Astonish, so the SV moveset says to knows Astonish, then transfer it to PLA and evolve it?
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Yeah that's probably how it would work. I guess my point was more so that it ends up in the same boat as Breloom anyway in that you can't get it if you're already evolved and don't have it, but if you're the preevolution then you still have means to keep the move whether by having it bred down and saved to relearn moves or being in your current moveset, like if you were to take a SV Spore Shroomish and evolve it into BDSP for whatever reason.

I guess Hisuian Decidueye doesn't even learn Astonish in PLA though, so you wouldn't really get the same Breloom situation of not being able to keep the move that you only had coming from another game.
 
doipy hooves said:
Yeah that's probably how it would work. I guess my point was more so that it ends up in the same boat as Breloom anyway in that you can't get it if you're already evolved and don't have it, but if you're the preevolution then you still have means to keep the move whether by having it bred down and saved to relearn moves or being in your current moveset, like if you were to take a SV Spore Shroomish and evolve it into BDSP for whatever reason.

I guess Hisuian Decidueye doesn't even learn Astonish in PLA though, so you wouldn't really get the same Breloom situation of not being able to keep the move that you only had coming from another game.
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Breed 2 Brelooms to get a Shroomish with Spore at Lv1 and you can literally evolve it at Lv23 and have Spore saved across all games - that's the only way to save it. It won't work this way.

You can't have it in its current moveset as a Breloom or it's just gone. 9/11 moment for anyone who have a shiny Breloom.
 
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Well cross checking with SWSH's Post-Home Series, I guess it kind of makes sense. That one let you bring in all the regional forms aside from the 3 who couldn't get the mark and the musketeers weren't allowed also because of the lack of the mark.

Since Home resets movesets I guess there's no real need for the battle ready mark anymore, and I guess they figured that's "good enough" for letting them all into VGC. Which is...fine, I guess, but feels a little more egregious in SV since this allows [checks notes] over half of all sub-legends in the series all at once all of which are transfer exclusive.
 
DreamPrince said:
Still, a bit surprising Walking Wake and Iron Leaves are still banned, despite having BST of Roaring Moon and Iron Valliant.
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I think they're banned since they're basically just "preview" Pokemon for the DLC. They don't even have proper dex entries.
& also were only available during two 2 week periods. The other legends might be locked to transfers, but the games are still available and you can hypothetically get as many as you want.

Presumably they'll be available when they come out in the DLC.
 
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