Seeking still doesn't get Thunder... and have you seen it's special attack? Not worth useing
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Seeking still doesn't get Thunder... and have you seen it's special attack? Not worth useing
Not sure if anyone posted anything along these lines, if so sorry.
Did some comparisons between lists from different sites, and this list is in no way complete, but it might help.
Abilities:
A125- Encourage
A127- Anxiety
A128- Competitive Spirit
A129- Weak-Kneed
A130- Cursed Body
A131- Healing Heart
A133- Broken Armor
A140- Telepathy
A142- Dustproof
A143- Poison Skin
A144- Regeneration
A145- Pigeon Heart
A146- Sand Throw
A147- Miracle Skin
A149- Illusion
A151- Slip Through
A152- Mummy
A153- Earthquake Spiral
A154- Justice Heart
A157- Herbivore
A158- Mischievous Heart
A159- Sand Power
A160- Iron Barbs
A162- Victory Star
A163- Turbo Blaze
A164- Tera Voltage
Did some comparisons between lists from different sites, and this list is in no way complete, but it might help.
Abilities:
A125- Encourage
A127- Anxiety
A128- Competitive Spirit
A129- Weak-Kneed
A130- Cursed Body
A131- Healing Heart
A133- Broken Armor
A140- Telepathy
A142- Dustproof
A143- Poison Skin
A144- Regeneration
A145- Pigeon Heart
A146- Sand Throw
A147- Miracle Skin
A149- Illusion
A151- Slip Through
A152- Mummy
A153- Earthquake Spiral
A154- Justice Heart
A157- Herbivore
A158- Mischievous Heart
A159- Sand Power
A160- Iron Barbs
A162- Victory Star
A163- Turbo Blaze
A164- Tera Voltage
Are any of the effects known?
I don't know how Lugia is jealous of 77 Defense.
It's certainly a sturdy Pokemon, but it doesn't really compare to Blissey, or Lugia.
And if they don't, New Sand will. At least popping out instant sun/rain provides a check to T-Tar + Sand Throw Dory.
Looks like we got some really cool new Ice moves!
Physical Ice Moves:
[M556]: Physical Ice PP: 10 Power: 85 / Accuracy: 90 Effect: May cause opponent to flinch
-Seems really useful. Good accuracy, decent base power, and flinching is always fun.
[M553]: Physical Ice PP: 5 Power: 140 / Accuracy: 90 Effect: [E14B] (30%) Can cause paralysis.
-This one is a little wierd. Para from an Ice attack? If it's not an uber only move, it will be amazing for physical Ice pokemon.
Special Ice Moves:
[M524]: Special Ice PP: 10 Power: 40 / Accuracy: 90 Effect: [E120] Always is a critical hit.
-I like this one, it has lower base power, but always being a crit hit makes it decent.
[M549]: Special Ice PP: 10 Power: 65 / Accuracy: 95 Effect: [E14A] Sharply lowers targets speed.
-This one is probably my favorite. Lowering speed by 2 levels can be devastating to an enemy. Plus it isn't too bad attack wise.
[M554]: Special Ice PP: 5 Power: 140 / Accuracy: 90 Effect: [E14C] (30%) Can cause a Burn.
-Another wierd one, but it makes more sense like frost bite or freezer burn. Again, if this is a non uber only move, it will be amazing.
Only thing, is I have a feeling the Para and Burn Ice moves might be for the Ice/Dragon legendary. Since he is the third part to Resh and Zek, and they are Elec and Fire, it would make sense for him to get 2 Ice moves with the Elec and Fire status effects. Thoughts?
Physical Ice Moves:
[M556]: Physical Ice PP: 10 Power: 85 / Accuracy: 90 Effect: May cause opponent to flinch
-Seems really useful. Good accuracy, decent base power, and flinching is always fun.
[M553]: Physical Ice PP: 5 Power: 140 / Accuracy: 90 Effect: [E14B] (30%) Can cause paralysis.
-This one is a little wierd. Para from an Ice attack? If it's not an uber only move, it will be amazing for physical Ice pokemon.
Special Ice Moves:
[M524]: Special Ice PP: 10 Power: 40 / Accuracy: 90 Effect: [E120] Always is a critical hit.
-I like this one, it has lower base power, but always being a crit hit makes it decent.
[M549]: Special Ice PP: 10 Power: 65 / Accuracy: 95 Effect: [E14A] Sharply lowers targets speed.
-This one is probably my favorite. Lowering speed by 2 levels can be devastating to an enemy. Plus it isn't too bad attack wise.
[M554]: Special Ice PP: 5 Power: 140 / Accuracy: 90 Effect: [E14C] (30%) Can cause a Burn.
-Another wierd one, but it makes more sense like frost bite or freezer burn. Again, if this is a non uber only move, it will be amazing.
Only thing, is I have a feeling the Para and Burn Ice moves might be for the Ice/Dragon legendary. Since he is the third part to Resh and Zek, and they are Elec and Fire, it would make sense for him to get 2 Ice moves with the Elec and Fire status effects. Thoughts?
Of course he will, because he love taking repeated Surfs/Waterfalls to the face. Same as Suicune will stop Rain with Water Absorb while Thunders (possibly even STAB'd ones) will be flying around everywhere. What's wrong with you people? Ttar can probably stop Sun, but rain? No way.
Hello, I'm Here to tell that there are only 7 Move tutors on this game.
Blast burn, Frenzy plant and Hydro Cannon learned by the last evolution of all starters.
Draco Meteor Learned by all dragons.
There are 3 moves that are learned just by the starters. 1 for all grass, 1 for all fire, one for all water. Probably it's Grass, Fire and water Oath. But I'm not sure.
Soon I'll put here all Breeding moves.
Blast burn, Frenzy plant and Hydro Cannon learned by the last evolution of all starters.
Draco Meteor Learned by all dragons.
There are 3 moves that are learned just by the starters. 1 for all grass, 1 for all fire, one for all water. Probably it's Grass, Fire and water Oath. But I'm not sure.
Soon I'll put here all Breeding moves.
Abomasnow, however, can take Thunders and Surfs like a champ.
zomg.
daikenki gets Encore, Swords Dance, Aqua Jet, and Megahorn and other physical attacks. can even run Taunt in place of Encore.
thanks for the reveals! 5th gen movesets are already beginning to take form!
daikenki gets Encore, Swords Dance, Aqua Jet, and Megahorn and other physical attacks. can even run Taunt in place of Encore.
thanks for the reveals! 5th gen movesets are already beginning to take form!
I'd love it if we had a list like this for moves, too; I'll add the names to the first post soon.
Also, Maverick Hunter, you're going to be OK with doing egg moves, right? If that's the case, I'll start on RNG research.
I'll throw the list of Abilities I've been working on in here too.
[124] ???: Contact attack may steal opponent's item
[125] Encourage: Additional effects of moves on opponents do not occur. Power of those moves boosted.
[126] ???: Effect of Stat Boosts/Drops reversed
[127] Anxiety: Opponent cannot consume Berries
[128] Competitive Spirit: Attack raised by 2 whenever it's reduced by 1 (such as by Intimidate)
[129] Weak-kneed: Stats halved when HP below 50%
[130] Cursed Body
[131] Healing Heart: Partners cannot suffer status afflictions.
[132] Unknown, exclusive to Cleffa, Clefairy, Igglybuff, Jigglypuff and Happiny, so probably nothing of value
[133] Broken Armor
[134] ???: Weight increased
[135] ???: Weight reduced
[136] ???: Takes less damage from attacks when HP is full
[137] ???: Attack boosted when poisoned
[138] OH THE HUMANITY!: Powered up when Burned
[139] ???: Can recycle a berry automatically
[140] Telepathy: Immune to damage from partner's moves like Earthquake/Explosion
[141] ???: Random Stat Boosted when entering battle
[142] Dustproof: Immune to damage from Hail/Sandstorm
[143] Poison Skin
[144] Regeneration
[145] Pidgeon Heart: Defense cannot be lowered
[146] Sand Throw: Speed doubled in Sandstorm
[147] Miracle Skin
[148] Analyse
[149] Illusion: Takes on the appearence of another Pokémon in the party.
[150] Jack of all trades: Power of non-STAB moves increased
[151] Slip Through: Attacks ignore Reflect and Light Screen.
[152] Mummy: Contact attacks replace attacker's ability with Mummy
[153] Overconfidence: Attack boosted after KOing an opponent.
[154] Justice Heart: Dark Attacks do no damage and boost attack.
[155] Wariness: Evasion boosted against attacks that have already been used against it.
[156] ???: May Automatically Psycho Shift
[157] Herbivore: Grass attacks do no damage and boost attack.
[158] Mischievous Heart
[159] Sand Power: Ground/Rock/Steel attacks do more damage in a Sandstorm
[160] Iron Barbs
[161] Daruma mode: Becomes psychic and blue and defensive when HP below 50%
[162] Victory Star: Accuracy of self and partners increased.
[163] Turboblaze: Same as Mold Breaker
[164] Teravoltage: Same as Mold Breaker
[124] ???: Contact attack may steal opponent's item
[125] Encourage: Additional effects of moves on opponents do not occur. Power of those moves boosted.
[126] ???: Effect of Stat Boosts/Drops reversed
[127] Anxiety: Opponent cannot consume Berries
[128] Competitive Spirit: Attack raised by 2 whenever it's reduced by 1 (such as by Intimidate)
[129] Weak-kneed: Stats halved when HP below 50%
[130] Cursed Body
[131] Healing Heart: Partners cannot suffer status afflictions.
[132] Unknown, exclusive to Cleffa, Clefairy, Igglybuff, Jigglypuff and Happiny, so probably nothing of value
[133] Broken Armor
[134] ???: Weight increased
[135] ???: Weight reduced
[136] ???: Takes less damage from attacks when HP is full
[137] ???: Attack boosted when poisoned
[138] OH THE HUMANITY!: Powered up when Burned
[139] ???: Can recycle a berry automatically
[140] Telepathy: Immune to damage from partner's moves like Earthquake/Explosion
[141] ???: Random Stat Boosted when entering battle
[142] Dustproof: Immune to damage from Hail/Sandstorm
[143] Poison Skin
[144] Regeneration
[145] Pidgeon Heart: Defense cannot be lowered
[146] Sand Throw: Speed doubled in Sandstorm
[147] Miracle Skin
[148] Analyse
[149] Illusion: Takes on the appearence of another Pokémon in the party.
[150] Jack of all trades: Power of non-STAB moves increased
[151] Slip Through: Attacks ignore Reflect and Light Screen.
[152] Mummy: Contact attacks replace attacker's ability with Mummy
[153] Overconfidence: Attack boosted after KOing an opponent.
[154] Justice Heart: Dark Attacks do no damage and boost attack.
[155] Wariness: Evasion boosted against attacks that have already been used against it.
[156] ???: May Automatically Psycho Shift
[157] Herbivore: Grass attacks do no damage and boost attack.
[158] Mischievous Heart
[159] Sand Power: Ground/Rock/Steel attacks do more damage in a Sandstorm
[160] Iron Barbs
[161] Daruma mode: Becomes psychic and blue and defensive when HP below 50%
[162] Victory Star: Accuracy of self and partners increased.
[163] Turboblaze: Same as Mold Breaker
[164] Teravoltage: Same as Mold Breaker
[M550]: Physical Electric PP: 5 Power: 130 / Accuracy: 85 Effect: May paralyze opponent. (20%)
Meditate Electivire will actually be a serious threat now lol.
Also love how Swampert gets the Damp ability for Metagross.
A lot of these moves and pokemon seem to have crazy power I bet 5th generation will be even more offensive and speed centered especially with these monstorous pokemon.
Meditate Electivire will actually be a serious threat now lol.
Also love how Swampert gets the Damp ability for Metagross.
A lot of these moves and pokemon seem to have crazy power I bet 5th generation will be even more offensive and speed centered especially with these monstorous pokemon.
Icicle Spear: Physical Ice PP: 30 Power: 25 / Accuracy: 100 Effect: Multi-hit attack. Attacks two to five times in a row. 37.5% for 2 or 3
YEAH! Skill Link Cloyster will be so much better now! It used to be 10BP, oh man did it go up!
YEAH! Skill Link Cloyster will be so much better now! It used to be 10BP, oh man did it go up!
This is going to be like a completely new metagame, almost everything has a new ability, a load of new Pokemon(who mostly seem to have offensively leaning stats, some of them have weird speed stats too), and the moves are SUPER POWERFUL :O
Edit: Now some comments on some of the improved moves...
Jump Kick: 100 Power (from 85), 10 PP (from 25) and Hi Jump Kick: 130 Power (from 100), 10 PP (from 20)
Looks good! I'm seriously thinking Hi Jump Kick is overpowered now though...
Tackle: 50 Power (from 35), 100 Accuracy (from 95)
Oh yeah, this will pwn early game :D
Growth: Raises Sp.Atk and Atk one level.
This will be interesting...Growth Abomasnow anyone?
Thunder Wave: Now hits Ground type foes.
Uhm...yay?
Bullet Seed: 25 Power (from 10) and Icicle Spear: 25 Power (from 10)
Cloyster will be happy with Icicle Spear :D
Edit: Now some comments on some of the improved moves...
Jump Kick: 100 Power (from 85), 10 PP (from 25) and Hi Jump Kick: 130 Power (from 100), 10 PP (from 20)
Looks good! I'm seriously thinking Hi Jump Kick is overpowered now though...
Tackle: 50 Power (from 35), 100 Accuracy (from 95)
Oh yeah, this will pwn early game :D
Growth: Raises Sp.Atk and Atk one level.
This will be interesting...Growth Abomasnow anyone?
Thunder Wave: Now hits Ground type foes.
Uhm...yay?
Bullet Seed: 25 Power (from 10) and Icicle Spear: 25 Power (from 10)
Cloyster will be happy with Icicle Spear :D
180 damage, 95 acc, Probably something like this
Forest Fire
The user burns a forest and causes damage. The user burns itself however.
Forest Fire
The user burns a forest and causes damage. The user burns itself however.
WHAAT! Ninetales gets drought and politoed gets drizzle. thats sad, kyogre is slightly less special.
I think Alakazam may actually make it into OU, with Magic Guard letting it use no-recoil LO, and if he gets that SpA/PhysD Fighting-type move he can easily get past Blissey, and he doesn't have to rely on Fail Blast to beat TTar. Something like Psychic/SpecPhys/Shadow Ball/HP Fire @Life Orb could be highly destructive. Oh god, please let him get that move. PLEASE.
So if Encourage gets rid of bad effects Rampardos will probably enjoy his boosted non-recoil head smashes yeah?
Cursed Body = Chance to disable move that makes this pokemon faint
Broken Armour = Defence decreases, Speed increases when hit by physical move
134 = "Heavy Metal" (English words in katakana)
135 = Light Metal (Raito Metaru :D)
Poison Skin = Poison on contact (not sure if more likely or not than Poison Point)
Regeneration = Heal small amount of HP when switched out
Miracle Skin = Evade status moves easier
Analyse = Moves more powerful if move after target
156 = I'm pretty sure this is only when opponent actually uses a status move on you. Pre-existing status won't be transferred.
Mischievous Heart = May give priority to status moves
Iron Barbs = Opponent damaged when makes contact (Don't know difference to Rough Skin)
Hope that helps.
Abomasnow gets Soundproof heh
At first I dismissed it as obviously worse than Snow Warning.
However, Abomasnow *without* Snow Warning could be useful.
It's typing does well against most bulky waters so you may be able to slot it into your team without affecting team members with hail.
Also, it'll be immune to Bug Buzz which may be worth something in some situations (specs Yanmega, Denchura).
At first I dismissed it as obviously worse than Snow Warning.
However, Abomasnow *without* Snow Warning could be useful.
It's typing does well against most bulky waters so you may be able to slot it into your team without affecting team members with hail.
Also, it'll be immune to Bug Buzz which may be worth something in some situations (specs Yanmega, Denchura).
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