This isn't a thread about tiering certain Pokemon, although I feel that the community may end up doing that, so please don't start bringing in certain Pokemon to this discussion. Only calculations, really.
Now a counter is, as defined by Jumpman's thread:
But then, another definition of an uber would be something that can have things switched into it to try to counter it (I.E. no Shadow Tag), but its stats, trait, and movepool will make nearly any counter (outside of an uber, or even an uber in extreme circumstances I suppsoe) useless. Something that can deal out enough damage to make a counter have less than 50% of its HP consistently, and live long enough to do it again. Moves like Recover would be useless because they only heal 50% HP at best, and this thing is doing over 50% of your HP anyway.
Thirdly, something is uber if its movepool is so vast, that it's impossible (or highly improbable) to actually guess what it's going to do to you. Now we all know what I'm talking about (3rd gen wise) but let's go ahead and assume I am talking about Arseus, whom I believe everyone unanimously agrees is an uber mofo. His movepool allows many different strategies to be used (phys or spec tank, phys or spec sweeper) and his stats (oh man, his stats) are the highest Pokemon has ever seen. He is an uber because even if you do find a counter, he probably has already wiped someone out, or has built up enough power to destroy your team.
I think that covers all of it. Once again, this isn't a discussion on certain Pokemon (except Arseus, who goes without saying is uber), only the definition.
Now a counter is, as defined by Jumpman's thread:
So then, something uber, under this definition of a counter, is something that has no real counter. Wobbuffet is considered uber because of that-nothing can switch out of it to be able to switch something in to counter it. Something of yours will possibly die, guaranteed.A counter must be able to both switch into the pokemon it's supposed to counter, with little to no risk to itself, and also pose an immediate threat to said pokemon.
But then, another definition of an uber would be something that can have things switched into it to try to counter it (I.E. no Shadow Tag), but its stats, trait, and movepool will make nearly any counter (outside of an uber, or even an uber in extreme circumstances I suppsoe) useless. Something that can deal out enough damage to make a counter have less than 50% of its HP consistently, and live long enough to do it again. Moves like Recover would be useless because they only heal 50% HP at best, and this thing is doing over 50% of your HP anyway.
Thirdly, something is uber if its movepool is so vast, that it's impossible (or highly improbable) to actually guess what it's going to do to you. Now we all know what I'm talking about (3rd gen wise) but let's go ahead and assume I am talking about Arseus, whom I believe everyone unanimously agrees is an uber mofo. His movepool allows many different strategies to be used (phys or spec tank, phys or spec sweeper) and his stats (oh man, his stats) are the highest Pokemon has ever seen. He is an uber because even if you do find a counter, he probably has already wiped someone out, or has built up enough power to destroy your team.
I think that covers all of it. Once again, this isn't a discussion on certain Pokemon (except Arseus, who goes without saying is uber), only the definition.