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Election 2008, United States
- Thread starter Great Sage
- Start date
Niiiiiiiceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I've been keeping my TV hooked on CNN for the past 2 weeks. All they talk about now is The Bradley Effect
Meh, I'd vote McCain because I agree on his foreign policy stands. Neither really has stepped up on the economic issue as well as I would have liked, but that's beside the point. While I don't like Sarah Palin as a VP, the VP doesn't really do a whole lot. While it'll be "Oh, shit" time if McCain dies, Obama's political experience still concerns me and is a much more pressing issue than Palin's obvious flaws.
Uh, pretty sure the Vice President of the United States of America does do a whole lot.
Technically the Vice President only has to cast the tie breaking vote in the Senate. That is the VP's only constitutional duty outside of replacing the President. The issue is mostly that Palin is ridiculously unqualified and incapable of assuming the Presidency, in my opinion. Thus, McCain's judgement is called into question that he would put her as the second in line of succession in ase anything were to happen. Even if the chances of McCain's death in office were ridiculously slim, it shows that McCain would make a purely political choice (and I think we can all agree on that count) at the risk of the nation. Not exactly "Country First."
I think Palin is far better than what she's getting credit for - she wasn't perfect in Alaska by any stretch, but she was clearly effective to some extent as a politican and governor, and 80% approval ratings in ANY state is pretty good.
From what I can tell, she was in over her head when she ran for governor, but she learned quickly and it doesn't help that the Alaska political machine was unpopular to begin with. But presidental politics is a far bigger stage than state politics - on-the-job training doesn't work.
She's not inherently incompetent imo but she clearly was not ready for a VP run - she needed 4 or 8 years to expand her horizons, become more learned about world affairs, read more, and improve overall as a stateswoman - she needed 4-8 years of preparation - but John McBrilliant decided 4-8 weeks was fine and dandy.
I think she'll get another shot - she's improved her image as the campaign has gone along, she's a very charismatic politician and quite likable (except to feminists who think non-liberal women aren't...women), and she still gets a lot of attention. I don't think she's as non-intellectual as she appears - a lot of it is where she comes from (give me a more provincial/rural/culturally homongeneous state than alaska) and a lot of it is the fact that John McCain has run a non-intellectual campaign (if you asked her to articulate intellectual principles in a way that middle-class voters can relate to, i think that she is more capable than most of doing that)
Sadly, McCain's dreadful campaign and the way they've handled her have compounded her difficulties, especially the way she's become a focal point of the extreme, almost violent partisanship (though there's reports that there's no evidence the "KILL HIM" thing happened at least how it was described) that has characterized this campaign. But 4 years is a long time, and if history forgets the losers, history REALLY forgets the sidekick to the losers.
Of course, i might be trying to find a way out of this 40 years in the wilderness thing conservatism seems like it's in for
From what I can tell, she was in over her head when she ran for governor, but she learned quickly and it doesn't help that the Alaska political machine was unpopular to begin with. But presidental politics is a far bigger stage than state politics - on-the-job training doesn't work.
She's not inherently incompetent imo but she clearly was not ready for a VP run - she needed 4 or 8 years to expand her horizons, become more learned about world affairs, read more, and improve overall as a stateswoman - she needed 4-8 years of preparation - but John McBrilliant decided 4-8 weeks was fine and dandy.
I think she'll get another shot - she's improved her image as the campaign has gone along, she's a very charismatic politician and quite likable (except to feminists who think non-liberal women aren't...women), and she still gets a lot of attention. I don't think she's as non-intellectual as she appears - a lot of it is where she comes from (give me a more provincial/rural/culturally homongeneous state than alaska) and a lot of it is the fact that John McCain has run a non-intellectual campaign (if you asked her to articulate intellectual principles in a way that middle-class voters can relate to, i think that she is more capable than most of doing that)
Sadly, McCain's dreadful campaign and the way they've handled her have compounded her difficulties, especially the way she's become a focal point of the extreme, almost violent partisanship (though there's reports that there's no evidence the "KILL HIM" thing happened at least how it was described) that has characterized this campaign. But 4 years is a long time, and if history forgets the losers, history REALLY forgets the sidekick to the losers.
Of course, i might be trying to find a way out of this 40 years in the wilderness thing conservatism seems like it's in for
At this point I am going to say that Obama is most likely going to win and the only reason I might still vote for the McCain/Palin is because I like Palin and mainly for support for Palin though I would much rather see her spend more time as Governor in Alaska like a happily ever after kind of story rather than her being tarnished in Washington doing nothing much but wait for McCain to die.
Even though my congressman (Christopher Shays (R-CT4)) did vote in favor of the $700 billion bailout I will still vote for him since his opponent is campaigning more like he's Obama rather than as himself as he's only a white young man with lots of money to spend and no political experience. Sadly this election will depend on voter turnout and the younger turnout may be more influenced by the youthful appearance over Shays whom is shown in campaign ads standing with Bush.
Even though my congressman (Christopher Shays (R-CT4)) did vote in favor of the $700 billion bailout I will still vote for him since his opponent is campaigning more like he's Obama rather than as himself as he's only a white young man with lots of money to spend and no political experience. Sadly this election will depend on voter turnout and the younger turnout may be more influenced by the youthful appearance over Shays whom is shown in campaign ads standing with Bush.
If you're an Obama supporter and your parent's are undecided, make them watch this:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d
This post is going to be completely tasteless and totally irrelevant, I just wanted to warn everyone of that now. But I feel these need to be shared.
Q: What's the difference between Palin's lips and her vagina?
A: Not everything that comes out of her vagina is retarded.
Also, http://palinaspresident.com/
Q: What's the difference between Palin's lips and her vagina?
A: Not everything that comes out of her vagina is retarded.
Also, http://palinaspresident.com/
Forgive my cynicism, but the whole grandmother thing just seems too conveniently timed to be entirely real. Yes, she is probably unwell, but I question the severity of her condition. My guess is that grandma Obama sneezed, causing a eureka moment in the mind of one campaign tactician...
"Hey guys, I know how we can simultaneously win the grey vote, show that we promote family values and give the Republican campaign no room to manoeuvre".
Electioneering++
"Hey guys, I know how we can simultaneously win the grey vote, show that we promote family values and give the Republican campaign no room to manoeuvre".
Electioneering++
That sounds more insensitive than my reply in the cancer thread.
Not as tasteless but more accurate:
Q: What's the difference between Joe Biden and a broken clock?
A: The broken clock is known to be right more than once a day.
As for Palin's inability to run the Presidency? That's a pretty laughable notion coming from Barack Obama supporters. Palin has years of executive experience whereas Barack's only stint in an executive role was funneling 50 million to Afrocentric education. The one time he had executive authority he spent it on giving kickbacks to his radical friends.
As a result, 50 million dollars were wasted on the likes of Rashid Khalidi's anti-American screed and performance in Chicago Schools, the ostensible goal of the Annenburg Challenge, had no measurable increase in performance.
Stanley Kurtz has the whole thing here.
Palin has actually had to do more than vote "present." Hell, she's had to do more than just VOTE. That's what Senators do: they VOTE.
Palin is unqualified? Last I checked, she is objectively superior to Obama and she will be "one heartbeat away" anyway. McCain will be the one choosing all the Cabinet posts unless he happens to die before January 21st.
Obama is blatantly unqualified, the least qualified candidate to ever run for office in over a hundred years, and he will be zero heartbeats away.
Given Obama's tendency to hang out with thugs and vandals, I wouldn't trust him to protect anything except his own hide. I'll take an Alaskan Moose Hunter/Mother of Five over a Chicago radical leftist any day.
As to Obama's fundraising? Like most things, Obama did it through fraud. He disabled the Adress Verification Service on his donation page. You can literally put in ANY information with your Credit Card Number and it will be accepted. Same with Obama's friends in ACORN, who have committed vote fraud in over a dozen states. Why just today a bunch of New York Obama college students got prevented from influencing the Ohio election.
Obama hangs out with fraudsters, racists, and unrepentant terrorists. He actively sought out the most fringe radical elements of Chicago for alliances, as he explains in his memoir "Dreams of My Father." This is a man who has no scruples with partnering with the lowest scumbags America has ever allowed to exist. Obama is all about Obama's own power. He is a dangerous megalomaniac with no moral compass.
The only "Change" Obama has ever wrought is to make Chicago a more corrupt, dangerous place than it already was. He is merely an enabler for his Marxist masters. Obama is a man so self-absorbed and arrogant that at the age of 47, his only accomplishment is writing two memoirs on his favorite topic: Himself.
Wow. Deck Knights post was the first racist argument used against Obama. Also the first positive one about Palin.
Palin is just stupid, and her views are ridiculous. Stuff like creationism being taught alongside evolution *shudders*. And the anti-abortion stuff is horrific. Also don't even get me started on gay marriage (well, you can, but you can't say that I didn't warn you).
Palin just doesn't want to be the VP of a secular nation, and I think that running America as a Christian country is insane.
Palin is just stupid, and her views are ridiculous. Stuff like creationism being taught alongside evolution *shudders*. And the anti-abortion stuff is horrific. Also don't even get me started on gay marriage (well, you can, but you can't say that I didn't warn you).
Palin just doesn't want to be the VP of a secular nation, and I think that running America as a Christian country is insane.
Good thing you sound too young to vote there, skippy.
Although ACORN has probably registered you anyway, along with the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.
Racist post? You must have an awfully interesting definition of racist. See, I don't suffer fools calling me racist or suggesting I have racist motivations. I'll take a whole plethora of other insults, but please, you start calling me racist and I'll have to put you in your place. I have a particular dislike for people who insert race into matters where it is not applicable and does not belong. I call them racists.
Obama has predicated his entire campaign on accusing his opponents of being racist. That was what was behind his several allusions. Allusions that started with "they're going to try and scare you" followed by "not being like "those other presidents on the dollar bills" and "you know he has a funny name" and "did I mention he was black?" Nevermind Rev. Wright IS racist, and was who I was alluding to.
In fact, Barack Hussein Obama changed his legal name from Barry Soetero. If anyone is to fault for the "funny name," it is Barack himself. McCain has been insanely hawkish in keeping his campaign and even random people at his town hall meetings in line.
But why waste my precious time responding to you? Because you're ignorant. You're the kind of ignorant fool Democrats use to elect themselves time and time again. Your only arguments are to accuse people of racism and randomly call candidates whose policies you simply don't like intellectually inferior. You have no understanding of American history, the Founding Fathers, or even modern reality. America is a religious nation guided by the rule of equally applied secular laws. Thus why our nation's founding principles revolve around inalienable rights guaranteed by an authority above every worldly government.
It will be easy to test you on whether you understand this matter with a single question: Where do our rights come from?
Actually, anyone can take the above test.
Now granted, I may have called Obama an idiot once or twice in a passion, but I don't generally think him so. I believe the last time I called him such I was comparing his competence to a theoretical anti-Christ, who by definition would probably not be caught saying or doing stupid things at all.
I can't vote. I live in Australia. And I do not know much of America's history, however I do know enough about the past 8 years to know that I don't trust the modern Republican party.
You said that the Mccain campaign has been "in line" which is funny. I am not calling the Obama campaign perfect (I actually prefer Biden to Obama, partially because of experience), but the Mccain campaign has been an attack campaign, sending racist text messages suggesting that he is a terrorist being among some of the things that have been quite out of line.
The parts about your arguments that seemed racist to me where when you implied that he was stereotypically black and loves the terrorists.
I'll continue later but my stupid computer is about to automatically restart...
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
I just skimmed this over (this is really the first time i've actually looked into obama's citizenship)but if this evidence is at least slightly plausible this election is going to get VERY ugly. I do believe this is going to SCOTUS no matter what (because of registration fraud on both sides), and this will only intensify it.
What is interesting is that
1: This guy is a Democrat (Hillary supporter i'll bet)
2: That Obama has failed to "respond" to Berg's lawsuit thus constituting an "admission" that he is NOT a natural-born citizen
edit: though berg is a 9/11 truther
I just skimmed this over (this is really the first time i've actually looked into obama's citizenship)but if this evidence is at least slightly plausible this election is going to get VERY ugly. I do believe this is going to SCOTUS no matter what (because of registration fraud on both sides), and this will only intensify it.
What is interesting is that
1: This guy is a Democrat (Hillary supporter i'll bet)
2: That Obama has failed to "respond" to Berg's lawsuit thus constituting an "admission" that he is NOT a natural-born citizen
edit: though berg is a 9/11 truther
Barr, just in hopes that the Libertarians get enough of the vote to get public funding because I'd enjoy the irony. Barr isn't someone I'd actually want running the country, but I'd rather it be him than Obama or McCain. If Paul or even Romney won the Republican nomination I'd vote for them. If Huckabee got the nomination I'd vote for him then leave the country and never come back, if America let a candidate that fucking idiotic get that close to the presidancy I'd know something is irrevokably wrong.
Also, Biden has a talent for saying incredibly stupid things, if you think Bush has given us a bad rap, you'll really get a kick out of Biden on the international stage.
Also, Biden has a talent for saying incredibly stupid things, if you think Bush has given us a bad rap, you'll really get a kick out of Biden on the international stage.
Great Sage, the abortion issue is just an election pleaser because anyone with brains knows that it does not matter anyway. Changing his view on abortion is to target dumb voters who do not realize this who will consequently probably be too stupid to get that it matters he changed his view. (Well, to explain this to anyone who does not know it - if Roe versus Wade was overturned, then it would merely be unconstitutional at the electoral level and would afterward be ruled on by each individual state. The only people this would hurt is the poor who might not be able to pay $100 in gas to go to a different state to get an abortion, so it would clearly be a bad idea to allow this to happen despite the fact that abortion should be a state decision in the first place).
John McCain is a terrible person. I am not even trying to get into the Bush-Gore dichotomy of 'guy you want to drink with' versus smart guy who you should want to run your nation. In this instance, it is a guy who holds the world in contempt despite riding his father's and grandfather's coattails all his life and used said coattails to systematically act outrageously and lazily. Look at him clench his jaw endlessly and any of his body language and you can tell this guy is not some 'bulldog' who just is tough; he is a man who knows no way to think except in terms of contempt, except when he gets his way exactly, which is the only way that he can be sated. Obama may have some problems establishing policy, but on the basis of who will run the country better, one can at least look to the running of campaigns to see who might manage something important well, and he verily ran a much better campaign than anyone else. He apparently understands how to organize a structure better and to economically manage better than McCain by looking at this.
Finally, I did not consider this when I voted Obama yesterday because the worst people never die quickly, but Palin would be president if McCain died, which would pretty obviously be the worst outcome imaginable.
John McCain is a terrible person. I am not even trying to get into the Bush-Gore dichotomy of 'guy you want to drink with' versus smart guy who you should want to run your nation. In this instance, it is a guy who holds the world in contempt despite riding his father's and grandfather's coattails all his life and used said coattails to systematically act outrageously and lazily. Look at him clench his jaw endlessly and any of his body language and you can tell this guy is not some 'bulldog' who just is tough; he is a man who knows no way to think except in terms of contempt, except when he gets his way exactly, which is the only way that he can be sated. Obama may have some problems establishing policy, but on the basis of who will run the country better, one can at least look to the running of campaigns to see who might manage something important well, and he verily ran a much better campaign than anyone else. He apparently understands how to organize a structure better and to economically manage better than McCain by looking at this.
Finally, I did not consider this when I voted Obama yesterday because the worst people never die quickly, but Palin would be president if McCain died, which would pretty obviously be the worst outcome imaginable.
I don't see how any liberal could fear a Palin presidency, she'd be a puppet of the liberal legislative branch. McCain really has run a pretty bad campaign and personally I'd probably rather drink a beer with Obama than McCain, but that doesn't really matter to me when making my decision. I'm leaning towards Obama but I'm worried he'll be the next Jimmy Carter, one of the most useless terrible presidents in history, even though he was just a real great guy. Obama's about to piss off some of the most powerful people in this country, and that worries me. Then again, McCain is kind of a war mongerer and that scares me. I have about 10 days to make a decision and I'm really afraid of both candidates, which is why it bothers me to no end to watch people praise obama (it would bother me if anyone was actually praising mccain lol...)
Also it proves you don't know very much about the campaign when you criticize Palin for being against gay marriage, because the democratic ticket is too =/.
Also it proves you don't know very much about the campaign when you criticize Palin for being against gay marriage, because the democratic ticket is too =/.
