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Kyurem

Instead of using scarf versions, can't you abuse Frozen world?
Animation looks cool plus you don't really have to worry about being locked into a move.

Just have 252 SpAtk and 252 Speed with:

- Frozen World
- Ice Beam
- Draco Meteor
- Hidden power Ground/ Focus Blast
Item: leftovers/Life orb
Nature: Modest/Timid

And you're good to go?

And BTW it's one stage.
And Magnezone may be hovering behind you waiting for you to put it in your team if you're going to use Kyurem(u) as well.
 
I'm not sure what the whole deal is with one stage or two stages, but PO has it listed as two stages, while other sources claim it's one. I suppose that for the time being, we can treat it as two stages, since that's how it's going to register in our matches, but I'd love it if we could get some hard data on this.

It's -1 in the games, both in the stat reduction and in-game message.
 
I think Reflect/Light Screen should seriously deserve consideration on something as bulky as this since it will always 1. Get a free turn to set up a screen as they switch to a most probable Steel. 2. Has insane defenses with it's hp and good defensive stats and behind Reflect, it survives incredible things. 3. Can SURVIVE BEING 2 HIT KOED (!!!) BY CHOICE BAND SCIZOR TECHNICIAN BULLET PUNCH EVEN WITH STEALTH ROCK IF IT GETS A REFLECT UP OR A TEAM MATE SET IT UP.

A spread of 417 hp/256 Def +Reflect takes From Scizor: 36.45-43.17%. If need be, you could (with Luck and praying accuracy doesn't bite you) beat a standard Scizor with Focus Blast and Stealth Rock 2 hit ko. Not recommended unless absolutely necessary of course but the fact that it is possible...

Or it could use HP Fire and OHKO, instead of relying upon the shaky accuracy of Focus Blast, which many Steels are neutral to anyway.
 
Or it could use HP Fire and OHKO, instead of relying upon the shaky accuracy of Focus Blast, which many Steels are neutral to anyway.

Or that, but Reflect itself should still be a considered option and a powerful one at that. I mean, it's no small matter to be able to survive 2 Scizor Bullet Punches even WITH Stealth Rock damage when you're weak to Stealth Rock and those Bullet Punches.
 
Kyuremu @ Leftovers
Timid
252Spd/200Att/56SpAtt
or 212Spd/200Att/56Spatt/40Hp
- Sub
- Blizzard
- Focus Blast
- Dragon Claw/Outrage

Bulky enough by itself that it's sub can take a neutral hit from most things then fire away with the proper attack EVs gives it equal stats in both sides of the attacking spectrum. Second EV spread is for more bulk while still being able to outrun ++base 90s as there isnt really any much threat from the base speed bracket from 90-95 with maybe CB Hihidaruma and LO(l) Cross Chop Electivire being your only real threats.

This set has performed extremely well in the current OU environment for me. People say Kyuremu is outclassed in all sets by most other dragons but i feel this gives it a very special niche being what I think is the best Sub+3 attack dragon out there.
 
I just wish that Kyuremu got a better signature move, something similar to Lighting Strike and Blue Fire. It would be a 130 BP attack with 85 % accuracy and a 20 % freeze chance, just like Reshiram and Zekrom's moves...
 
Honestly all the fixation on Kyuremu's signature move is mind blowing when the thing itself disregarding usuage is an absolute powerhouse who can steamroll a whole team almost.

The more and more I see of this thing the more I'm convinced that it should be Uber and not OU. Its power and bulk is simply phenomenal even when you're hitting it for Super Effective and absolutely nothing can realistically take a hit from it. Most players really need to get the whole LOL ICE TYPE/FROZEN WORLD out of the system because I can't even fathom how this thing can be UU statistically.

In raw stats and also in action it just instantly takes complete offensive control of a match when brought in correctly. Who cares Ice/Dragon is redundant coverage? Its still breaking even resistant Pokemon into pieces. Whats wrong with its coverage exactly? It has perfect coverage in Focus Blast/Shadowball on top of its ridiculous STAB's.
 
Kyremu could never be UU.

>Pretty fantastic bulk
>Amazing offensive stats
>Okay typing.
>Relatively shallow movepool (not like it needs anything else...)

Kyremu can spam DM then kill everything with Ice Beam/ Outrage.
 
I just wish that Kyuremu got a better signature move, something similar to Lighting Strike and Blue Fire. It would be a 130 BP attack with 85 % accuracy and a 20 % freeze chance, just like Reshiram and Zekrom's moves...

Kyurem already has two moves that, at present, like V-Generate, it can't possibly get, and one burns and one freezes. But they take a charge turn like SolarBeam.
 
To those who say kyuremu is uber, or even not at all possibly UU. First off, UU is going to look massively different, potentially having things like non-soul dew latias in it, at least until BL happens. With regards to ubers, well, Kyuremu basically comes in safely on bulky waters. . . and then can't get past bulky waters. It has great stats, but ice type is frankly that bad. Maybe some kind of claw sharpen or substitute set might be reasonably good, but outside of that I'm not seeing much hope for kyuremu.
 
how it cant get pasty bulky waters good sir? are you saying dickhead draco meteor is not powerful enough to beat suicune and friends? as far stats go draco meteor is capable of ohkoing all but the most bulky pokemons(as long they dont resist, but even there it hurts), and two draco meteors will probably ko anything not named blissey.


remember back in the day mence draco meteor used to do more then 60% to suicune? it just got worst.

i am not saying suicune is the only bulky water he will be facing, but its one of the best examples as far defensive stats go. i even dare to say that thing specs draco meteor ohko kyogre too.
 
how it cant get pasty bulky waters good sir? are you saying dickhead draco meteor is not powerful enough to beat suicune and friends? as far stats go draco meteor is capable of ohkoing all but the most bulky pokemons(as long they dont resist, but even there it hurts), and two draco meteors will probably ko anything not named blissey.


remember back in the day mence draco meteor used to do more then 60% to suicune? it just got worst.

i am not saying suicune is the only bulky water he will be facing, but its one of the best examples as far defensive stats go. i even dare to say that thing specs draco meteor ohko kyogre too.

Actually, it wouldn't ohko Kyogre (will 2 hit ko and Kyogre only ohko kills with Max Power Water Spout which it wouldn't be because Draco Meteor doing massive damage to it. It'll need Timid to outrun with Specs although it won't ohko then and it doesn't have a Chance of ohko without Specs. It does 2 hit ko with Surfs should one miss or something stupid like that). But it's not facing Kyogre in OU. But I do think Kyurem is a bit too strong for OU potentially. Not with things like Inconsistent, Shaymin-S, Darkrai, etc are around but it easily murders most pokemon with its power. 130 Stats aren't low at all (tell that to Ho-Oh, Latios, Garchomp, etc) and with Specs, it's power is so insane that with Blizzard, it could 1-2 hit ko pretty much everything short of Blissey or insane bulky special defensive steels that resist (Brongzong, Heatran). In Blizzard Hail, it easily 2 hit koes Scizor and non Special defensive (Standard) Metagrosses. And Metagross is a lesser threat. Although it would have killed to be able to set up it's own automatic hail (and have an actual uber Hail inducer like Rain and Sun), that would have been far too powerful since even without Specs, Blizzard is a monster. And it is clear Kyurem is meant to be a monster looking at those stats, coverage (Ice/Dragon/Fighting still hits everything and not much is going to be able to kill it), and appearance. Definitely Uber.

And the thing is bulky as heck as well as being an insanely strong. Everybody seems to treat it like it has the defenses of...Deoxys-A or something (FAR from it) and that it'll die to the next blow in. The good news is, there are only a few (potentially) safe switch ins-Steel Types. Anything that isn't Steel is liable to dying horribly and if they're switching in something like Sazandora or Garchomp, it is going to be Scarved. Scizor and Metagross are only possible when not facing Specs Blizzards and bulky defensive Kyurem can be set up to survive even 2 Scizor Banded Bullet Punches+STEALTH ROCK behind Reflect. And Stealth Rock is less common than it used to be.

Just because Stealth Rock exists doesn't mean Kyurem is instantly killed by it. Kyurem is so bulky it can survive certain Mach Punches even WITH Stealth Rock like GUTS Roopushins...and that was without any investment at all into defenses or hp. Stealth Rock doesn't kill Ulgamoth viability (who also is pretty scary) or Ho-Oh and Rayquaza in Ubers or Moltres...actually, Moltres had almost been kicked out of UU (it shouldn't have been there in the first place) last time for it's power DESPITE Stealth Rock. And Kyurem has awesome surviveability, especially if you pass it Wishes which have changed from last time, now able to restore much more than half of it's hp.

And just because Kyurem is (potentially although it is so bulky it can survive at full health against Breloom and kill and it is incredibly easy with Reflect and Breloom is outsped and you could do all sorts of fun trap/luring things with Scizor) Scizor/Breloom weak doesn't make it bad. There are a lot of things that are Scizor/Breloom weak that still are OU like Tyranitar and friends. The existence of two pokemon has never stopped their usage before. Kyurem is definitely strong enough to be high OU/Uber except nobody really uses him for some reason. I love using him and he's freaking awesome. When was the last time people have seen Metagross, Heatran, Jirachi? I haven't seen many of any of them (although I ran into the evil Torment Heatran but other than that...) and they used to be everywhere. Or at least the last one and oftentimes the second. Heatran used to be a top used OU pokemon and now...nothing. What happened? Heatran would be a decent switch in to Kyurem although it must watch out for Focus Blast and even then, Fire Blast would only be a 2 hit ko because of neutrality instead of weakness.

Kyurem does have awesome special resistances and being neutral to Ice and Fire and while it doesn't have ideal weaknesses, there are definitely worse. All dragons are obviously weak to Dragon (except Dialga). Steel is fine because other than Bullet Punch, there really are very few people attacking with Steel. Rock is a bit more irritating because of Tyranitar and a few fast friends but are annhilated by Focus Blast/Ice Beam and can't be switching in. Stealth Rock is annoying but not insurmountable since Kyurem is so bulky it can survive amazing things even with damage and it is easy enough to get rid of if it worries that much. Wish also helps keep hp high. Fighting is more troublesome but you outrun most fighters which make the common OU ones have to run Mach Punch to outspeed you and none of them can really risk switching directly in either. Kyurem is again bulky enough to easily take Roopushin and Breloom's Mach Punches and kill them back.

Kyurem is a very strong underrated pokemon.
 
Honestly, besides crap typing (weak to a lot of priority) and a meh speed, those massive stats will make it at least OU, if not banned. Purely on a damage basis, a 130/130 spread with a choice scarf will DECIMATE enemy pokes
 
Could y'all please post some sets that you've had success with?

I'm trying a modest set with heavy investment in hp and speed. Sub + 3 attacks.
 
Competitively it seems this pokemon seems pretty outclassed as mentioned many times. Also the base 660 stats total is odd (although kyogre and groudon have a base 670)

However non competivley this pokemon is great! For the casual battler like myself that dosnet follow smogon rules its a great pokemon =]


But anyway regarding something I read earlier on in this post I doubt this pokemon will get a second form. I do assume that this pokemon will get a dream world ability in "gray" (snow warning most likley) I aslo think that it will get a special item that will upgrade its stats. Maybe something simaler to latios/latias's soul dew ",
 
Actually, this pokemon is really underrated. Stealth Rock isn't as common and this poke can absorb rain attacks and Hail weather. I don't see why it should only be used uncompetitively. Specs in Hail is obliterating and Scizor/Metagross/Jirachi aren't exactly common nowadays. Neither is Roopushin (go Gliscor), Breloom-ish, etc.

It isn't as slow as people make it out to be (not that fast but it certainly is faster than some people seem to act like it is) and considering the lack of Sazandora (who rarely run +Spd Natures and Max speed anyways unless it's Scarf in which case it just outruns you) there is little to argue with it.

It is really bulky as well and hitting with 130 base attack with Draco Meteors and Ice Beams are really good. It also could be a team supporter with Screens (and Kyurem is insanely bulky, especially behind a screen) and it is just ridiculous.

For example with 417 hp and 256 def, it can survive being 2 hit koed by Choice Band Scizor Bullet Punch AFTER Stealth Rock damage with Reflect. And that isn't exactly common nowadays either. Everything short of that...is obviously not killing (Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge is one of the few things that could 2 hit ko after Reflect but not even Landlos can 2 hit ko without a boost). And Light Screen gives it the same surviveability against Dragons and dragons are afraid of switching in on Kyurem.
 
Yeah with Reflect (and Kyurem itself being one of the best users seeing as it forces so much out since little besides steels want to eat one of it's attacks) it survives Choice Band Scizor 2 hit ko easy, even after Stealth Rock. Wish makes it even more awesome.
 
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