So Viktor isn't very good at all. His ult is really good, but that's about it. I really think that hex core passive thing holds him back, and upgrading it for 1200 seems like a waste IMO.
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Yeah, I get that. But good opponents will see it and not step there. That's why I said it is like a pseudo-CC. It limits their options even if it doesn't land. Thanks, though.
In other news I picked up Trundle. Went 10/7/10 but I started 5/0/5. Low level people on the EUW server have a serious problem with committing to team fights. I kept dying because they would run any time they saw more than 1 enemy. We would catch someone seemingly out of place and then more enemies would pop out of the jungle turning it into a 3v3 and my teammates would run leaving me to the wolves. They actually ran from a 3v2 against weakened enemies. It's like this every game. They must all be French.
Gonna pick him up on my NA level 30 though, since I like him. Should have a better experience there.
True, that's one of the best parts of a delayed skill; it's a zoning tactic even if you don't use the skill.
And from what I hear of his abilities, Viktor's power lies in his ability to zone like a boss. I have yet to use him/see him in action though, so meh. Consider the utility and versatility of the upgrade: each upgrade provides a very decent boon for the cost, making it a powerful early to mid game item. No, he won't possess the sheer power of some other AP champs, but consider Viktor more of a disrupting AP champ than a burst one.
And from what I hear of his abilities, Viktor's power lies in his ability to zone like a boss. I have yet to use him/see him in action though, so meh. Consider the utility and versatility of the upgrade: each upgrade provides a very decent boon for the cost, making it a powerful early to mid game item. No, he won't possess the sheer power of some other AP champs, but consider Viktor more of a disrupting AP champ than a burst one.
Instead of responding snarkily, try explaining your thought process.
For example, Rumble and Viktor have a couple of things in common, but in the end, Rumble is an AP bruiser while Viktor will still be a mage. Of course, Viktor can be built bulky, but his E doesn't require him to be close to an enemy to him them (much like Rumble's Q, though with a much shorter travel time). One of Viktor's stronger skills is his W, an incredible zoning tool, what with a slow-to-stun field. It's on a fairly long cooldown, so that's a good balance. Rumble doesn't possess that, and Morgana has that in her ult. His Q is definitely a weaker version of Rumble's shield, though it deals damage. Viktor's ult moves, which is definitely nice (especially if you're fleeing; I can see chasing Viktor at low health to be a bad idea).
I don't see why Viktor would be in the middle of the fray like Rumble would in a teamfight. Luckily, he doesn't need to be straight in there to be effective. That's my take on it. If you'd like to counter by explaining why Rumble is better suited at Viktor's job, I would genuinely like to hear it, since like I've said, I haven't used him.
For example, Rumble and Viktor have a couple of things in common, but in the end, Rumble is an AP bruiser while Viktor will still be a mage. Of course, Viktor can be built bulky, but his E doesn't require him to be close to an enemy to him them (much like Rumble's Q, though with a much shorter travel time). One of Viktor's stronger skills is his W, an incredible zoning tool, what with a slow-to-stun field. It's on a fairly long cooldown, so that's a good balance. Rumble doesn't possess that, and Morgana has that in her ult. His Q is definitely a weaker version of Rumble's shield, though it deals damage. Viktor's ult moves, which is definitely nice (especially if you're fleeing; I can see chasing Viktor at low health to be a bad idea).
I don't see why Viktor would be in the middle of the fray like Rumble would in a teamfight. Luckily, he doesn't need to be straight in there to be effective. That's my take on it. If you'd like to counter by explaining why Rumble is better suited at Viktor's job, I would genuinely like to hear it, since like I've said, I haven't used him.
Other than the fact that Viktor's kit is basically the same as Rumble's with a few of the abilities switched around:
Rumble is much more powerful early game than Viktor which can't be denied nor does Viktor make up for being weaker early later in the game.
Rumble's ult (split into Viktor's e and r) is much better than either of the aforementioned abilities, since you're not required to buy an item for the the most potent version of the ability, it's aoe damage is much larger than either of the two abilities, and Rumble's has an aoe slow attached to his ult. although Viktor's can be moved, it needs to be hitting multiple enemies to make full use of it. Rumble can simply place his ult, hit several people with the initial burst, continue to hit people with the dot (which has a larger area of effect than the actual particle) and also completely deny an escape/entry route.
Viktor's only cc is a delayed slow->stun on a single ability with a high cooldown. Rumble has a 'double' slow on his e, which can affect the same enemy twice. As mentioned before, Rumble's ult also has an aoe slow.
Viktor's q (Rumble's e and w) is really just a worse version of both abilities. You lose the (double) slow and must buy the respective Hextech Core to get the full effect, while Rumble's shield is always there and always has the speed boost.
Rumble also has Heat instead of Mana, so he can easily spam his abilities while Viktor is restricted. Moreover, Rumble's abilities become much more powerful when over 50 heat, while Viktor needs to buy a fairly expensive buff to get a more powerful version for a single ability.
Morgana also does Viktor's 'job' (which you say is a disrupting mage) by simply being Morgana and having her ult.
Rumble is much more powerful early game than Viktor which can't be denied nor does Viktor make up for being weaker early later in the game.
Rumble's ult (split into Viktor's e and r) is much better than either of the aforementioned abilities, since you're not required to buy an item for the the most potent version of the ability, it's aoe damage is much larger than either of the two abilities, and Rumble's has an aoe slow attached to his ult. although Viktor's can be moved, it needs to be hitting multiple enemies to make full use of it. Rumble can simply place his ult, hit several people with the initial burst, continue to hit people with the dot (which has a larger area of effect than the actual particle) and also completely deny an escape/entry route.
Viktor's only cc is a delayed slow->stun on a single ability with a high cooldown. Rumble has a 'double' slow on his e, which can affect the same enemy twice. As mentioned before, Rumble's ult also has an aoe slow.
Viktor's q (Rumble's e and w) is really just a worse version of both abilities. You lose the (double) slow and must buy the respective Hextech Core to get the full effect, while Rumble's shield is always there and always has the speed boost.
Rumble also has Heat instead of Mana, so he can easily spam his abilities while Viktor is restricted. Moreover, Rumble's abilities become much more powerful when over 50 heat, while Viktor needs to buy a fairly expensive buff to get a more powerful version for a single ability.
Morgana also does Viktor's 'job' (which you say is a disrupting mage) by simply being Morgana and having her ult.
They are two champions with two completely different kits. Just cause an ability has a similar effect or the effect is "split" doesnt mean anything. That would be like saying Amumu and Dr. Mundo would be rip offs of DotA's Pudge because they all have skills shots and a AOE Toggable that encompasses them when in reality all 3 champions are very different.
Definitely agree on Rumble's stronger early game; he can get up in your face and still do a lot, while Viktor would have to keep his distance (which I suppose would be ineffective, as he couldn't then use his Q).
Well, Viktor's E can be used a lot more often than Rumble's ult. As far as damage goes, Rumble wins there too, though I would say the fact that Viktor's ult can move is pretty damn good for zoning potential. However, Rumble can use his ult way more often than Viktor can, so ok, that works for Rumble too, lol.
Rumble's double slow is still a skillshot, while Viktor has a field slow/stun. I find the cooldown to be acceptable only because of its potential to disrupt so many champs.
All in all, it might be a matter of the Hexcore passive; it seems like they tried to go the jack-of-all-trades route with this one, and by virtue of that, he won't be as strong as others. Rumble definitely wins as far as damage goes, but Viktor strikes me as a utility champ, idk.
Lol alright, fair enough with Morg.
Well, Viktor's E can be used a lot more often than Rumble's ult. As far as damage goes, Rumble wins there too, though I would say the fact that Viktor's ult can move is pretty damn good for zoning potential. However, Rumble can use his ult way more often than Viktor can, so ok, that works for Rumble too, lol.
Rumble's double slow is still a skillshot, while Viktor has a field slow/stun. I find the cooldown to be acceptable only because of its potential to disrupt so many champs.
All in all, it might be a matter of the Hexcore passive; it seems like they tried to go the jack-of-all-trades route with this one, and by virtue of that, he won't be as strong as others. Rumble definitely wins as far as damage goes, but Viktor strikes me as a utility champ, idk.
Lol alright, fair enough with Morg.
A Jack-Of-All Trades, Master of None Champ is good in normal, but don't have much competitive value as you just have 5 champs that are extremely good/the best at their jobs. Viktor imo probably shouldn't solo lane, but hes an AP Mage so you'll see him mid anyways.
you do realize how that example has nothing to do with my example
right?
you can actually see that Viktor's abilities are just slightly changed versions of Rumble's abilities. (ALL OF THEM)
then you compare that to saying cleaver=bandage toss
Actually I agree, you are comparing two champs with different roles and different lanes and it's hard to help thinking that you're only doing it cause they share a targeting mechanic on abilities that don't have the same function at all.
Rumble's slow is his worst skill and Gravity Field is Viktor's best. They don't function the same at all, and further why are you comparing that ability to Viktor's Q? Because they both deal damage? Don't get on jr for comparing cleaver and bandage toss then.
Gravity Field is more akin to less powerful Veigar stun, but Viktor's kit is much better overall except in its ratios. That's Viktor's biggest downfall, giving us 99 AP for cheap and letting us do nothing with it.
Rumble's slow is his worst skill and Gravity Field is Viktor's best. They don't function the same at all, and further why are you comparing that ability to Viktor's Q? Because they both deal damage? Don't get on jr for comparing cleaver and bandage toss then.
Gravity Field is more akin to less powerful Veigar stun, but Viktor's kit is much better overall except in its ratios. That's Viktor's biggest downfall, giving us 99 AP for cheap and letting us do nothing with it.
rumble and viktor being different doesn't make up for rumble being better in every way js
honestly i can't see how the hex core can be seen as anything other than a crippling waste of an item slot, viktor is just one of those champions that sounds cool on release but as you watch him and play against and with him you start to wonder 'what does he actually do' much like volibear, shyvana and that godawful waste of a champion that was release skarner
honestly i can't see how the hex core can be seen as anything other than a crippling waste of an item slot, viktor is just one of those champions that sounds cool on release but as you watch him and play against and with him you start to wonder 'what does he actually do' much like volibear, shyvana and that godawful waste of a champion that was release skarner
emphasis on release skarner
skarner monster now
sting everyone! pow pow pow!
also sivir OP.
skarner monster now
sting everyone! pow pow pow!
also sivir OP.
sadly shyvana (and fizz, and maybe bear now too) are past the "release fix" stage and will probably sit there for a stupid long time waiting to be "fixed" and i guess bear was fixed from OP frenzy to "ok" and fizz is in a nice place
but shyvana.. i wish she was better somehow.. decent in lane, pretty strong harass, but almost useless after laning besides a meatshield
but shyvana.. i wish she was better somehow.. decent in lane, pretty strong harass, but almost useless after laning besides a meatshield
While we're still reminiscing, remember Yorick after his first patch lol
Maybe Kog'Maw isn't so OP after all. Maybe I just played against like 10 amazingly good Kog'Maws.
So after playing with Skarner for a while, I decided to purchase Kennen instead...gotta say, I'm more than pleased with my choice. That little fucking yordle is amazing. Though I don't know if I have him set up correctly. I have a 21/9/0 setup, taking all MR and one point in armor, then getting all the health stuff. I have Mpen reds, armor yellows, flat AP blues, and flat AP quints. Usually build WotA first, then Deathcap if I feel snowbally, Rylai's if I need to be bulkier, or Zhonya's if we're losing horribly. If I'm doing something wrong, please let me know, this guy is too much fun to be used poorly.
i prefer scaling AP blues but your build is looking very strong. 21/9/0 pretty much the right way to go as he doesn't need anything in utility and the health helps a lot. revolver into will is standard opening, yes.
hourglass if you're getting focused and dying fast (saintvicious went like 2/10 as kennen in a game and just went straight for hourglass after his WotA and they won because talon/tristana carried but saint was dying noticeably less after he got his hourglass). deathcap if fed, rylai's for bulk, you pretty much pegged everything.
hourglass if you're getting focused and dying fast (saintvicious went like 2/10 as kennen in a game and just went straight for hourglass after his WotA and they won because talon/tristana carried but saint was dying noticeably less after he got his hourglass). deathcap if fed, rylai's for bulk, you pretty much pegged everything.
good, goooood, Kennen is extremely fun to play, and I didn't want to use him poorly. That ult is a game changer, regardless of the damage dealt. I've wondered about scaling blues, since he seems to skyrocket in strength after a while, so I might try it out when I can afford the blues (I've just been using what I have around). Glad to hear I've been doing it right though. I also prioritize R > Q > W > E for abilities. Q is his main tool, but having a stronger W makes for stronger damage, while I just save E for escapes early in the game.
some people like maxing W, some people max Q and W evenly. personally i like Q maxed first because it maximizes early and mid poke damage, it lets you CS with Q a lot easier, and it maximizes the spell vamp you get from Q, especially when you get creative.
for example, in mid, when your lane is pushed, but you don't want to gank and you need some health, you can just Q the wraith camp just for spell vamp and you don't have to leave lane at all.
for example, in mid, when your lane is pushed, but you don't want to gank and you need some health, you can just Q the wraith camp just for spell vamp and you don't have to leave lane at all.
I max Q too; with spell vamp, you can heal up so quickly with it, not to mention how eventually an AA + Q will kill a minion. I max W second because it helps with stuns better than E, because it doesn't require me getting up in someone's face. And while I haven't had a chance to test it yet, I imagine going top with Shaco or Lee sin as your jungler to be devastating, as Kennen can set up a stun at level 2, and those junglers have good level 2 ganks.
Ah, I just love Kennen so far. Even if I lose with him, I still feel fine, which is awesome. I'll probably try to watch some Kennen streams, and if I do well enough with him consistently, buy a skin for him.
Ah, I just love Kennen so far. Even if I lose with him, I still feel fine, which is awesome. I'll probably try to watch some Kennen streams, and if I do well enough with him consistently, buy a skin for him.
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I was getting quadras with Skarner on release, he's truly a beast now and as I predicted back then he will probably get nerfed in the future.