Dragon is an "element" in the Pokémon world so it wouldn't be surprising if it could exist as a natural substance.
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pokemon fandom always tries a little too hard to find patterns and associations in things that probably isn't there at all. The Ages are so wide in what they cover that just about any new Regi could have been slotted into one, no matter what they were
My personal favorite is trying really hard to associate the Therian forms with some aztec gods (?!) or the four symbols (even though there's only 3 of them & don't line up right).
Sometimes an incarnation of raijin just turns into a bird
Cross posting to here since kurona got lost
It's literally "crystallized dragon energy"
There is a theory that the arms are made out of dragon bones, at least
but the body itself isnt'
Regigigas is clearly skilled at finding random sources of dragon energy in the pokemon world and crystalizing it...
Yep that totally makes sense
He just needs to wait 5 turns for it.
I mean, that's definitetly a featherless biped, all right :PAnd yet they're said to be manmade...
BEHOLD, A MAN
They aren't said to be manmade at all, I don't thinkAnd yet they're said to be manmade...
BEHOLD, A MAN
None of the Regi's entries mention being made by ancient peoples, just that they were sealed away. Most of the other entries are just scientific surveys of their materials
The Sealed Chamber...
Merely says they lived with them, but grew to fear them and sealed them away.
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Free Regijazz, the Titan shaped like a saxophone
The dot eyes are tone holes.
I understand not wanting to use it as fact but I don't see it too much of a stretch this is at least a likely inspiration. A lot of Pokemon designs you can assume elements of it are based on something but GF hasn't specifically said that to be the case (like Qwilfish also being based on a naval mine as much as a pufferfish). Now there are some instances where fan theories really do stretch credibility (like the "pattern" of the Fire & Grass Starters and the Elemental Monkeys being based on the Three Wise Monkeys), but with how Hoenn's theme was nature-based and the titans are Rock, Ice, and Steel while skipping over other materials like Grass (wood, which is an easier building material than ice) & Ground (clay, which the mythical golem was made of), I think it was a deliberate reference. Likewise, when they decided to make two new ones, they thought of what other "ages" there were and settled on Digital and Medieval, using Electric and Dragon to represent them. Why choose those Types otherwise (I won't argue there may be another reason, but any I think of comes with some asterisks)?
Not the first time we've had crystalized dragon energy, remember the Type Gems?
Never heard about the Aztec Gods, though I do go with the Four Symbols. Sure, a Flying elemental turning into a bird is kind of obvious, but a fertility deity turning into a tiger? And a thunderstorm storm deity turning into a dragon isn't uncommon, but it's certainly an odd looking dragon (BTW, the Black Tortoise isn't exactly just a Tortoise).
It has/had the strength to move the continents. I wouldn't be surprised it able to take an energy source, crushing it between its hands creating so much pressure (maybe along with some minerals so there's something to bind to) it crystalizes. As for finding all the dragon energy, well its a Legendary in a region where the main trio were all Dragon-type, each having an orb that increased their Dragon-type moves.
It's a very detailed worker (also did you assume its gender?).He just needs to wait 5 turns for it.
It can be Ghost-type, cause it got the Blues.
Age of Enlightenment: Psychic
Age of Discovery: Ground
Viking Age: Fighting
Space Age: Bug
Age of Sail: Water
Gilded Age: Grass
Atomic Age: Poison
Industrial/Machine Age: Fire
Jet Age: Flying
Jazz Age: Ghost
Axial Age: Fairy
Age of Discovery: Ground
Viking Age: Fighting
Space Age: Bug
Age of Sail: Water
Gilded Age: Grass
Atomic Age: Poison
Industrial/Machine Age: Fire
Jet Age: Flying
Jazz Age: Ghost
Axial Age: Fairy
I think the idea that humans made the other Regis as part of a process by which they sealed Regigigas away is yet another of those fan theories that became so commonly accepted that some people just assumed they were canon. At least the part about humans having sealed Regigigas and/or the others has some support in the games.
While we're talking about fan theories that are people tend to just take as confirmed, is there much actual evidence that the Kalos legendaries take inspiration from Norse mythology? I see it asserted as a known fact now and then, but it's not clear to me that it's anything other than someone's popular guess.
I completely believe the thing about the three monkeys though.
While we're talking about fan theories that are people tend to just take as confirmed, is there much actual evidence that the Kalos legendaries take inspiration from Norse mythology? I see it asserted as a known fact now and then, but it's not clear to me that it's anything other than someone's popular guess.
I completely believe the thing about the three monkeys though.
No, GF rarely talk about Legendary designs. GF have never said:
- What the Beast Trio were (I don't think GF even has a collective name for them).
- Ho-Oh was based on a (Chinese) Phoenix (the Fenghuang) and Lugia on a Ryujin.
- Eon Duo were based on Aeons (or jet planes).
- Groudon was based on the Behemoth, Kyogre on the Leviathan (or an orca), and Rayquaza on the Ziz (or Asian Dragon).
- Lake Trio are based on the Imperial Regalia of Japan.
- The Creation Trio are based on the three phases of matter.
- The Swords of Justice are based on the Three Musketeers.
- Meloetta is based on the Greek Muses.
- The Forces of Nature are based on Japanese Gods.
- The Guardian Deities & Zeraora are based on the Hawaiian Gods (and Marshadow on Nightmarchers).
I don't think they've ever explicitly stated it, just going off Xerneas being turning into a tree and Zygarde in particular being based on a snake and such. The initial trailer of XY having a giant, conspicious tree near Xerneas also probably got people guessing.
Though double checking bulbapedia in case there was some more interviews beyond the artblock comment for Xerneas I chuckle at seeing at least one editor trying to now push Celctic inspiration in particular. And boy is the Zygarde section just a veritable shmorgishboard of throwing every possible idea at the wall
Honestly until we see more of them in significant roles (Z Version..................) I'm willing to say the broad idea of these really might have nothing to do with Norse mythos at all and they did choose these designs for other reasons. What made a good shape, what might be associated with these animals, what just looked cool, what went with the seeming steps of life motif which is very clearly obvious: Chromosomes, Nerves and Cells
I'll be honest I really...don't get why. Nothing about their behaviors really lines up with it at all, so it has to be by appearence but uhhhh.. Well, let's start with Panour, right?
Well hey that's pretty fair, right? Closed eyes, part of a monkey trio. Bing bang zoom!
But as soon as we reach Pansear I have problems. This relies on interpreting the hand up as being hard of hearing, but it honestly just looks like a sheepish wave.
And continuing our reverse engineering trend, Pansage would have to be "speak no evil" but... no?
It's mouth is fully open, which is generally not the visual associated with "speak no evil". And if we take closed eyes and a hand-to-ear as short hand, it's weird that no obstruction is being used instead of something as simple as covering its mouth.
Honestly if James Turner ever goes "yeah they were" he kind of did a poor job implementing the idea
I believe the Norse mythos one. Just reading it from Bulbapedia makes it look complicated because they throw everything it could possibly be, but if we take all that extra stuff away it pretty much just says the various forms of Zygarde are based on the children of Loki.
And another thing which defeats the Elemental Monkeys being based on the Three Wise Monkeys is that their evolutions (or Simisage and Simisear at least) do not have the "hints" which Pansage and Pansear did.
I can get not getting into allotropes, but there's still supercritical fluids, plasmas, and BECs that are in desperate need of legendary pokemon.
The thing that gets me is that this only really works on the grounds of "Zygarde is based on Jormungandr"
Without that root cause to make you look for anything, would you land on "Hel" for this?
There's not even any reasoning behind it. Fenrir as 10% they at least tried. Collar = binding rope. Differently colored foot = the foot bit off. And, hey, 10% is a dog and Fenrir is a notable dog! I can get all that, much more solid than the monkey theories at least. Even if it's also easy to see it just being....a dog.*
But 100% is Hel because... well it made for a third in a trio of mythic figures. I even remember hearing, elsewhere, that oh Complete is based on Loki instead, I think at least once I saw Odin floated by. You could probably make a case for several different gods
*Side note, unrelated to "is it fenrir?" entirely: I find it funny that the offiical concept art for Zygarde 10% (you can see a small scan here https://www.deviantart.com/chipmunkraccoonoz/journal/Something-to-expect-721002572 ) has a full thing of how the leash functions and how Bonnie would use it but so far as I remember, the leash never gets used at all so its more of a cool scarf collar lol.
Hel is frequently depicted as half-alive, half-undead, which fits decently with Zygarde's role as a mediator between life and death as well as 100%'s red/blue accents on each side if you take them as representative of Xerneas and Yveltal.The thing that gets me is that this only really works on the grounds of "Zygarde is based on Jormungandr"
Without that root cause to make you look for anything, would you land on "Hel" for this?
There's not even any reasoning behind it. Fenrir as 10% they at least tried. Collar = binding rope. Differently colored foot = the foot bit off. And, hey, 10% is a dog and Fenrir is a notable dog! I can get all that, much more solid than the monkey theories at least. Even if it's also easy to see it just being....a dog.*
But 100% is Hel because... well it made for a third in a trio of mythic figures. I even remember hearing, elsewhere, that oh Complete is based on Loki instead, I think at least once I saw Odin floated by. You could probably make a case for several different gods
*Side note, unrelated to "is it fenrir?" entirely: I find it funny that the offiical concept art for Zygarde 10% (you can see a small scan here https://www.deviantart.com/chipmunkraccoonoz/journal/Something-to-expect-721002572 ) has a full thing of how the leash functions and how Bonnie would use it but so far as I remember, the leash never gets used at all so its more of a cool scarf collar lol.
AllTerrainVen0moth
Banned deucer.
Behemoth Blade?
Don't get fooled, that's actually Iron Head.
