Luvdiscs vs. Stars

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THE_IRON_...KENYAN?

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we should bring back the star rating system. I suggest this because any guy can luvdisc, and that means that anyone can luvdisc a shitty thread. If that user looks at his thread ratings, he will get the wrong idea of the quality of his threads and will keep making them that way. If we go back to the system where badged users, aka, the smarter, more experienced users of smogon, rate the system, people will get the right idea and it will weed out the good users to badge further down the road, which in turn will find superior users to give status to.

I saw ENZ0 use a great anime themed argument the other day in PR to prove a point, and id just like to reference the movie butterfly effect with ashton kutcher to get mine across.

I think minor improvements to the forum can make a huge difference, like for example letting firebanned users view firebot to get better and muting obnoxious people in PO instead of banning so they can still battle.
 
Seriously Luvdiscs are much better than stars. With Luvdisc most people only luvdisc good thread. Hardly anyone used star ratings. Also there is muting on Pokemkn Online
 
lets have both i like the luvdiscs :[ also the main point of luvdiscs was that loads of people troll rated things because they disliked a user, so maybe having different ratings in different forums is a better idea?
 
Plusle said:
Seriously Luvdiscs are much better than stars. With Luvdisc most people only luvdisc good thread. Hardly anyone used star ratings. Also there is muting on Pokemkn Online
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Stars tell you nothing.

"Oh this thread has 5 stars, it must have been made by a badged member"

Have a nice day.
 
The solution to people luvdiscing bad threads is to use the system more. Make sure good threads get Luvdisced, and only good threads. If you don't use the system, people who do have more weight.

And it's not like we kept the system because it was Cathy's baby or personal favorite...
 
Thread ratings aren't really ever going to convey useful information. The biggest thing of significance they have brought is drama. That's why I believe we should just stick with the Luvdiscs. Any thread rating system is just too easily manipulated to use for anything but fun.
 
I'm happy with Luvdiscs tbh.

The star system could occassionally lead to confrontation, whereas Luvdiscs have almost no chance of causing conflict. With stars, it was possible to label a thread as 'terrible' (iirc) and that led to some awkwardness (remember the Wi-Fi incident?) but with Luvdiscs you either like it or you just don't say anything at all. Just like my momma used to say...

At least Luvdiscs give you a general consensus on the thread, stars just showed you which badgeholders particularly liked the OP.
 
No system is perfect, but I prefer the star system. Immature troll starrings were fairly rare, and are overall not a major issue. With the Luvdisc system, anyone can "Luv" a thread, and as shown by the screenshot TIK provided us with, many undeserving (to say the least) threads are misleadingly bolstered.
 
I wouldn't say troll starrings were that rare. They were so common at one point that we had to remove the anonyminity of the star system and make the rater visible for all to see because there was so many instances of 'drive-by ratings' where users were just maliciously 1-starring threads with no good reason or explanation. And even more annoying was when people randomly 5-starred awful threads because apparently that was HILARIOUS.

The mechanic change addressed that for the mostpart but, on the whole, my memory of the stars system was pretty negative. No good can come of a system where you're free to slap a 'terrible' sticker on a thread. Besides, the vast majority of users either a) 5-starred a thread or b) didn't bother rating it. In that respect it was identical to the luvdisc system except it was only available to badged members. At the end of the day it's just a bit of fun so why not let everyone in on it? Sure, you could argue that 'it serves a valuable purpose of directing people to good threads' but the star system also failed miserably in that purpose.
 
Please bring back the stars! I liked those way more. Luvdiscs don't mean anything to me, especially when a couple of bad users can get together and 'luv' each other's threads because they are friends.

I have a proposition if Star ratings are such a huge trolling problem (are they really? I read the log of when that was going on in Pastebin or whatever, and I'm still not convinced it's a huge problem.) Anyway, what I propose is to have badged members be the only ones who can rate a thread, and on top of that, add a rule of "if you rate lower than 5 or 4, you must post in the thread as to why you gave the rating you did." It will certainly hold users accountable, and it will discourage rate-and-runs.
 
Reverb said:
No system is perfect, but I prefer the star system. Immature troll starrings were fairly rare, and are overall not a major issue. With the Luvdisc system, anyone can "Luv" a thread, and as shown by the screenshot TIK provided us with, many undeserving (to say the least) threads are misleadingly bolstered.
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You think they are undeserving. But who is going to see those "undeserving" high "luved" threads? Wifiers, for whom it is not undeserving. Having a thread in wifi with a high "luv" count would mean that some people think that is a reliable trader or they have good pokes (or something fuck i don't know). Comparative to other forums, wifi threads do have rather low quality standards. But when does anybody but wifiers have to deal with it?

Why not just have luvdiscs only available to badged members?
There wouldn't be a chance of mass wifi trolling, and "undeserving" threads (probably) wouldn't be as "luved"
 
Star system does give users the possibility of determining whether a thread is bad or good; while the Luvdisc system only gives you the chance of labelling it as good; as not necessarily the lack of Luvdiscs is related to a potential bad content the thread might present. To be rather honest I don't care if Luvdiscs are kept, I just like stars more.
 
Aren't we basically saying that badged users aren't mature enough to handle thread rating by giving it to the majority of users? If thats the case we might as well just get rid of their badges and PR/IS rights well since those bare far more responsibility than the ability to rate threads.

To be honest if the system was abused in the past, joke rating on RMTs and stuff, who really gives a fuck? If you are a big name user (Reyscarface, Kevin Garrett, etc) and you post a team, people are going to look at it and rate it and odds are you have pissed off people in the past and they are going to rate your team with 1 star. You should be mature enough to realize they are doing this and you should realize that thread ratings are a pretty petty thing to get upset over.

That being said, stars also look better than Luvdiscs.
 
agreeing with reinstating the star system. stars used to strike out at me when looking at a list threads where as i don't give two shits about a thread with 17 luvdiscs. there were plenty of classic threads that i, and i imagine others, stumbled upon in the past simply because of the star rating.
 
THE_IRON_KENYAN said:
we should bring back the star rating system. I suggest this because any guy can luvdisc, and that means that anyone can luvdisc a shitty thread. If that user looks at his thread ratings, he will get the wrong idea of the quality of his threads and will keep making them that way. If we go back to the system where badged users, aka, the smarter, more experienced users of smogon, rate the system, people will get the right idea and it will weed out the good users to badge further down the road, which in turn will find superior users to give status to.

I saw ENZ0 use a great anime themed argument the other day in PR to prove a point, and id just like to reference the movie butterfly effect with ashton kutcher to get mine across.

I think minor improvements to the forum can make a huge difference, like for example letting firebanned users view firebot to get better and muting obnoxious people in PO instead of banning so they can still battle.
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I think associating badged users as the "smarter" users is not even correct at all looking at the mess at PR. Smarter than the average guy in smogon/pokemon yes but not smarter in real life just to clear things up. Other than that i think the rating system should stay the same because i think that people don't use it that often in the first place. I think its a good idea to keep those "smart" badged users from bullying someones thread as we saw with kevin garrets well made RMT.
 
undisputed said:
Please bring back the stars! I liked those way more. Luvdiscs don't mean anything to me, especially when a couple of bad users can get together and 'luv' each other's threads because they are friends.

I have a proposition if Star ratings are such a huge trolling problem (are they really? I read the log of when that was going on in Pastebin or whatever, and I'm still not convinced it's a huge problem.) Anyway, what I propose is to have badged members be the only ones who can rate a thread, and on top of that, add a rule of "if you rate lower than 5 or 4, you must post in the thread as to why you gave the rating you did." It will certainly hold users accountable, and it will discourage rate-and-runs.
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I agree with this except for the proposition (which is basically half the post, but w/e. I think that a badged member who rates a thread, regardless what he/she rates it, should either send a PM to the thread creator or post in the thread itself (I like this one better, but I'm not sure which it should be) about why he/she rated it as such.
Not only would it "hold users accountable ... discourage rate-and-runs", I think there would be a pretty good chance that people would care more about the quality of their threads.
The only possible downside I see to this is the work badged users would have to go through to rate a thread. It was a simple matter in the past for a badged member to rate it; as a non-badged member, I wouldn't know, but it might discourage them from rating due to the increase of work needed to just rate a thread.
 
Stars were fucking terrible and Luvdiscs are much better for the reasons I've repeated more times than I can count. That said, I don't disagree with limiting it to badged users again but if we do, we should make Luvdiscs start showing at 1 vote rather than 6.
 
How about make something the opposite of a Luvdisc (eg. on yuotube there are likes and dislikes)?
Luvdisc for a plus and a......Magikarp for a minus :)
 
"Dislikes" are just a way for people to start trolling en masse (see: facebook). Negativity towards threads is discouraged, which is why stars are no longer around.

If we go back to the system where badged users, aka, the smarter, more experienced users of smogon, rate the system, people will get the right idea and it will weed out the good users to badge further down the road, which in turn will find superior users to give status to.
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I'm pretty sure you're implying that if a user has several 5 star threads they're badge worthy, which is not true in the slightest. And really giving somebody a 1-2 star on their thread isn't going to help them improve, it's just going to discourage them in the future. Also really posting a screenshot of the wifi forum isn't helping your argument TIK, because A) it doesn't matter if you don't like it, obviously a part of the community does and B) frankly what's going to happen in wifi it's the star system?

I will give that it made the tournaments section more appealing, but the ones that always got ratings were well known users. Typically it was 5 star or no star, which is nigh pointless.

The idea of posting reasoning for ratings is probably the worst suggestion I've heard. You don't go into a thread to critique the OP, you go in to discuss the topic the thread is about. Also I doubt its coincidence that most support for this is coming from newer badged members who would happen to have access to star ratings, but older badged members are against the idea. Not trying to be cynical, just pointing out what I see.

I don't have any beef with the luvdisc system, while the star system has many flaws. Like Cim said, the way to counteract "bad" threads gaining more luvdiscs than others is to actually start liking threads you, well, like. Then when bad threads start getting luvdiscs, good threads overshine them regardless.
 
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