Luvdiscs vs. Stars

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I think we should use star rating system again, because luvdiscs doesnt say how good/bad a thread is, especially when some randoms can luvdisc each other thread because they are friends.
An alternative could be what firestorm suggested: limiting it to the badged users, and start showing at 1 point
 
I assumed that by going back to the star system we would restrict it to badged users only. Tbh, it makes more sense since otherwise people can make crappy threads and get their friends to 5 star it, thus defeating the purpose of the star system.
 
It was originally only badged users... and yet the problem that caused us to adopt the Luvdisc system still happened.

I like the Luvdiscs, personally. Star rating doesn't really do much, but Luvdisc allows people to see what popular threads are, and gives thread makers an idea of how much people like their thread. Works for me.
 
While stars are definitely cooler than Luvdiscs, I also think that limiting Luvdiscs to Badged users and showing all of them (instead of hiding them until a certain threshold) would be a lot cooler. It would make threads with Luvdiscs more appealing than if anyone can "luv" and it sounds like that is a big issue with the current system right now.
 
Going back to the star system would be a massive step backward. I'm not sure why we'd go that route. There's a reason every major website - including behemoths like YouTube - are getting away from star ratings.
 
I really think the best option is to only give Badged users the option of giving "luv" to a thread, but the "luv" shows up after one "luv", compared to 6.

Basically I agree wth Firestorm.
 
No, restricting the capacity of being able to "luv" or star a topic to badged

users doesn't really solve the problem of trolling. I can think at least one instance where badged users used it to troll. I think luvdiscs are better since you like or you don't, not oh that thread has 5 stars versus that thread has one star. If alot of users like a thread than it will showup, if it doesnt many luvdiscs then it's not very notable or popular.
 
Well, it seems like the main argument to having only badged members being able to like threads is because they aren't "bad" members.

Well, just because people like myself don't have a badge, doesn't mean I am a bad member and cannot tell a good thread from a bad one. =\
 
If I'm noticing a trend here, every badges user wants a badge requirement, and most unbadged users like it open to the public. If you get where I'm going, there is a case for both sides, and I doubt either will "win" the debate. Therefore, it is honestly rather pointless.
 
LizardMan said:
Well, it seems like the main argument to having only badged members being able to like threads is because they aren't "bad" members.

Well, just because people like myself don't have a badge, doesn't mean I am a bad member and cannot tell a good thread from a bad one. =\
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Exactly. Badgeholder-only is plain and simple elitism. That's bad...
 
Why not allow everyone to rate a thread X amount of stars, and revoke that ability from users who abuse it? It might require more programming resources but still makes the most sense.
 
LizardMan said:
Well, it seems like the main argument to having only badged members being able to like threads is because they aren't "bad" members.

Well, just because people like myself don't have a badge, doesn't mean I am a bad member and cannot tell a good thread from a bad one. =\
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This is true. However, badged members are trusted members of the community who will not abuse the system, if you care about luvdisc spamming or whatever. It was a genuine issue with the rating system but really, who gives a shit if someone went and luvdisc spammed?

In response to the OP I agree fully: the rating system is better, both aesthetically and functionally.
 
Well, can't you track people who abuse the system and Luvdisc spam? There is plenty of solid members, with a strong knowledge of pokemon who do not have a badge and wouldn't abuse.

Lets say there is 3 trolls out of 50 people. Do you ban all 50 people, or do you punish the trolls? That is my whole point.

Also, I prefer Luvdiscs over stars. If your thread doesn't get a Luvdisc, it doesn't mean the thread is bad. However, if your thread gets one starred, alot of people would get discouraged, offended, and fights/trolls would start. Heck, if I made a RMT I worked really hard on, and it got one starred... I would probably never post in that forum again. Not that I post much in RMT, but still.
 
cookie said:
This is true. However, badged members are trusted members of the community who will not abuse the system, if you care about luvdisc spamming or whatever. It was a genuine issue with the rating system but really, who gives a shit if someone went and luvdisc spammed?

In response to the OP I agree fully: the rating system is better, both aesthetically and functionally.
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too late the badged members already abused the stars with kg's rate my team.
 
that was kg's fault for being trolled so easily and that episode got blown WAY out of proportion. when gouki abused it and 1-starred every thread in wifi justice was served so provided we aren't complete pussies about this i don't see the problem
 
cookie said:
that was kg's fault for being trolled so easily and that episode got blown WAY out of proportion. when gouki abused it and 1-starred every thread in wifi justice was served so provided we aren't complete pussies about this i don't see the problem
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yeah if i put hours of work drawing pictures and making a RMT i would be mad too. It isnt his fault for being i assume, upset about someone making his thread look like uninviting. If someone bumps into my car intentionally and injures me and i get upset is it fair for the person that hit me to say its my fault for being mad? Makes no sense.
 
I agree with letting only badged users luv a thread because truly thats the closest we are going to get to sound, intelligent rates. I believe the one luv thing for badged users would be for the best, or even going back to the stars. I just want to be able see rated threads that I know will be G00D, and not a cluster of bad threads with luvdiscs on pg.1. To be honest, I don't even bother with checking threads with luvdiscs anymore, other than a select few that are started by known users or have a C00L title.
 
I don't know i've always found the star system to be subjective still. who actually knows if the persons actual intention was to troll or belittle the users thread. we need to understand that stars are merely subjective criticism through pixels and who says we can't vote one or two stars, i mean they are there correct? If i feel like rating a thread shit then you'll get one star - we all can't be nice people right? but if people actually get butt hurt from that then we might as well keep our beloved facebook likes in this case smogbook luvdiscs system where we have a one sided choice between Like or no rating. if we think about it, we've changed the system to a "automatic 5-star or no opinion". so pretty much the personal vendetta against these stars is that they cannot take getting lower than 5 stars, meaning people get butthurt from getting their thread lower than 5. luvdisc seems fitting for a community who gets riled up over getting one stars though.

tl;dr i like stars. stars are for men, luv are for pussies
 
Because we all know negative reinforcement works.

People are misinterpreting me by the way. I was saying I don't care if we go back to badgeholders only. I'm completely fine with it staying the way it is now and everyone voting. What I would oppose would be going to the star system which is worse than what we have now.
 
ENZ0 said:
I agree with letting only badged users luv a thread because truly thats the closest we are going to get to sound, intelligent rates. I believe the one luv thing for badged users would be for the best, or even going back to the stars. I just want to be able see rated threads that I know will be G00D, and not a cluster of bad threads with luvdiscs on pg.1. To be honest, I don't even bother with checking threads with luvdiscs anymore, other than a select few that are started by known users or have a C00L title.
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Well, thanks to me, you don't see every thread with a luvdisc. A couple hours after the switch from stars was made, I luvdisc'd every thread on the first five pages of Wi-fi, Stark, Firebot, and I was three pages into Cong when the way luvdiscs displayed was changed. Now a thread has to have 6 luvdiscs for it to show on the forum.

I can't say I've ever noticed clusters of bad threads with that number of luvdiscs; it seems to me that you're making an issue where there is none.

One thing I would like is an option to remove a luvdisc you gave a thread. Say the first three pages of a thread were really great, but then seven more pages came along that are just crap. I think it would be nice to be able to remove a luvdisc to reflect the change in your opinion of the thread.
 
I agree with Ramblin Wreck on removing one's own Luvdisc. It's similar to Facebook's "Unlike" feature, where you can only "Unlike" a thread that you have already "Liked." This is contrary to what many posters have suggested (not in this thread, surprisingly) about featuring a "thumbs down", which would make Smogon a more uncomfortable environment. An Unlike feature does not add a negative stigma to a thread, but merely removes your approval of said thread if and after it has gone overboard.

As for the stars system, I honestly remember very few threads that were actually given stars, and most of them were stickied anyways. Stars don't represent the community, but only the views of a few badged members who happen to give a shit about a thread. Luvdiscs, however, help bring us to a popular consensus on what we, as a community, think are quality threads. Of course, as with any system that requires a mouse-click, this can be abused, but is it really difficult to distinguish between a crappy thread with 10 Luvdiscs and an awesome thread like Fatecrashers' Art of Fate that has a gold Luvdisc?
 
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