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Untitled Meta
Metagame Premise:
If you switch in a Pokemon, the Pokemon that switched into that mon will get the switcher's ability.
For example, if you switched a Heatran, and switches into say, like Venusaur, it will get Flash Fire until it gets switched out. It caps at 2 abilities.

Possible Bans and Threats: Huge Power, Pure Power, Medichamite, Mawilite, Fur Coat, Simple, Speed Boost, Kyurem-Black.
Threats might be phazing moves (Roar, Whirlwind, etc.), Entrainment, Trace, Contrary, Regenerator, Unaware, Regenerator.

Questions: What names should I give in this meta?
Does this meta look complex?
To clarify, does this mean that if you switch in a Pokemon, the one switching in also receives the switching out teammate's ability on top of its own (e.g. I switch from Tangrowth to Tapu Koko on an opponent's Heatran, my Tapu Koko now has both Regenerator and Electric Surge) or is it a Trace+ kind of deal (e.g. I switch from Tangrowth to Tapu Koko on an opponent's Heatran, my Tapu Koko now has both Flash Fire and Electric Surge)?
 
Untitled Meta
Metagame Premise:
If you switch in a Pokemon, the Pokemon that switched into that mon will get the switcher's ability.
For example, if you switched a Heatran, and switches into say, like Venusaur, it will get Flash Fire until it gets switched out. It caps at 2 abilities.

Possible Bans and Threats: Huge Power, Pure Power, Medichamite, Mawilite, Fur Coat, Simple, Speed Boost, Kyurem-Black.
Threats might be phazing moves (Roar, Whirlwind, etc.), Entrainment, Trace, Contrary, Regenerator, Unaware, Regenerator.

Questions: What names should I give in this meta?
Does this meta look complex?
My idea: remnant. My idea was that they also gain the first move slot. They rejected it.
 
To clarify, does this mean that if you switch in a Pokemon, the one switching in also receives the switching out teammate's ability on top of its own (e.g. I switch from Tangrowth to Tapu Koko on an opponent's Heatran, my Tapu Koko now has both Regenerator and Electric Surge) or is it a Trace+ kind of deal (e.g. I switch from Tangrowth to Tapu Koko on an opponent's Heatran, my Tapu Koko now has both Flash Fire and Electric Surge)?
No, if you switched into another Pokemon, if you switch from Tangrowth to Tapu Koko, it gets Regenerator, and if you switch into Heatran, the ability Regenerator gets removed but it will get you Electric Surge. I said Trace might be a threatening ability because Trace can trace other Pokemon's abilities and switch in to a good Pokemon that has that ability.
 
Here I was, thinking that all simple ideas for metagames were exhausted and already done, but then it hit me.

Name in progress

Metagame premise: based on Doubles OU. All damaging moves that hit single target now hit both foes and vice versa. Fixed-damage moves (Seismic Toss, Super Fang, etc.) are excluded from this rule.

Potential bans and threats: Fake Out is definitely ought to be banned, because otherwise games would be decided by whose Fake Out user is faster, or by speed ties. You could also U-turn with one pokemon while the other fakeouts and do it infinitely until you win, not letting your opponent make a single move.
I don't see any other overwhelming threats. Wide Guard will be very useful, given that all the most powerful moves are now blocked by it. Nuzzle looks pretty annoying, but the only viable user is Togedemaru. Shuffling might be powerful, but I don't know if it's viable in Doubles at all.

Questions for the community: under this premise, there won't be any moves that hit both foes and ally. Should there be a rule that puts some moves into this category? I had one idea: moves with recoil/crash damage now hit both foes and ally (and don't have recoil anymore), while moves that hit both foes and ally now hit single foe and have 1/3 recoil damage. But this idea seems too complicated and undesirable, so maybe you have other ones.
 
Illusion Mons

Metagame premise: By putting a Pokemon A's name into Pokemon B's held item slot, B will be disguised as A, even in team preview. The disguise may or may not be broken upon getting hit (haven't decided yet).

Potential bans and threats: Pokemon that only need a single turn to set up and sweep can use the misdirection to wreck havoc.

Questions for the community: Should the illusion be broken upon getting hit?
 
Illusion Mons

Metagame premise: By putting a Pokemon A's name into Pokemon B's held item slot, B will be disguised as A, even in team preview. The disguise may or may not be broken upon getting hit (haven't decided yet).

Potential bans and threats: Pokemon that only need a single turn to set up and sweep can use the misdirection to wreck havoc.

Questions for the community: Should the illusion be broken upon getting hit?
In that Meta, nobody would ever base anything off of what they see. It's no different than just not seeing what Pokemon you're facing. A cool ideas but we can simplify it by making every Pokemon look like say, Zoroark
 
In that Meta, nobody would ever base anything off of what they see. It's no different than just not seeing what Pokemon you're facing. A cool ideas but we can simplify it by making every Pokemon look like say, Zoroark
But in order to disguise yourself as something else, you need to give up your item slot. So not EVERY Pokemon will be disguised.
 
Full Effect Role Compendium:
Full Effect Role Comp Sets

Finally got around to finish some of the sets that inspired the role comp. Here are the pastebins for each major heading, with the nicknames for the sets trying to allude to the new affects or bonuses it gets in the meta. Let me know if I'm missing anything or if you can think of a better set option / role!

Megas: https://pokepast.es/6c9873abc5bfd53f

Physical Wall Breakers: https://pokepast.es/2d5ab3b592e1cfe3

Special Wall Breakers: https://pokepast.es/39bfd75ee6907670

Mixed Wall Breakers: https://pokepast.es/77e01a34df7b8c7f

Stall Breakers: https://pokepast.es/a05706d87bd512d3

Physical Walls: https://pokepast.es/dc4ea8d6e7d1644a

Special and Mixed Walls: https://pokepast.es/5583a4b66c3436b2

Pivots: https://pokepast.es/aa7db7838285e714

Nightmare Abuse: https://pokepast.es/0c8f4042e217a1fa

I stopped at sweepers and priority, as most of the users are covered in pastebins above. I also have a few notes regarding what I believe the meta would become, which should also validate some of the roles:

Attack Shortcut:
Bug:
-Steamroller (130 bp, -- ac, 30% chance to flinch)
-First Impression(90 bp, 100 ac, +2 priority, works every turn)
-Fell Stinger (50 bp, 100 ac, +3 attack on hit)
Dark:
-Malicious Moonsault (360 bp, -- ac, can be used by any Pokemon with Darkest Lariat and the correct Z move)
-Assurance (120 bp, 100 ac)
-Payback (100 bp, 100 ac)
-Knock Off (97.5 bp, 100 ac, knocks off item)
-Pursuit (80 bp, 100 ac, hits switching out targets)
-Sucker Punch (70 bp, 100 ac, +1 priority, never fails)
Dragon:
-Twister (80 bp, 100 ac, 20% chance to flinch)
Electric:
-10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt (195, -- ac, +2 crit ratio, used by any Pokemon with Thunderbolt and the correct Z move)
-Stoked Sparksurfer (175 bp, --ac, 100% chance to paralyze, used by any Pokemon with Thunderbolt and the correct Z move)
-Thunder (110 bp, -- ac, 30% chance to paralyze)
Fairy:
-Let's Snuggle Forever (190, -- ac, can be used by any Pokemon with Play Rough and the correct Z move)
Fighting:
-Wake Up Slap (140 bp, 100 ac, wakes up sleeping targets)
Fire:
-NA
Flying:
-Hurricane (110 bp, -- ac, 30% chance to confuse)
-Acrobatics (110 bp, 100 ac)
-Beak Blast (100 bp, 100 ac, burns enemies that target it before the user attacks)
-Gust (80 bp, 100 ac)
Ghost
-Hex (130 bp, 100 ac)
Grass
-Solar Blade (125 bp, 100 ac, one turn attack)
-Solar Beam (120 bp, 100 ac, one turn attack)
Ground
-Stomping Tantrum (150 bp, 100 ac)
Ice
-Blizzard (110 bp, -- ac, 10% chance to freeze)
-Avalanche (120 bp, 100 ac, -4 priority)
Normal
-Pulverizing Pancake (210 bp, -- ac, used by any Pokemon with Giga Impact and the correct Z move)
-Last Resort (140 bp, 100 ac, works even with other moves not selected)
-Facade (140 bp, 100 ac)
-Retaliate (140 bp, 100 ac)
-Smelling Salts (140 bp, 100 ac, cures paralysis)
-Round (120 bp, 100 ac)
-Snore (50 bp, 100 ac, 30% chance to flinch, does not need to be asleep)
Posion
-Venoshock (130 bp, 100 ac)
-Belch (120 bp, 90 ac, no berry needs to be consumed)
Psychic
-Genesis Supernova (185 bp, -- ac, summons Psychic Terrain for 5 turns, used by any Pokemon with Psychic and the correct Z move)
-Synchronoise (120 bp, 100 ac, can be any type)*
-Dream Eater (100 bp, 100 ac, 50% health recovered, target does not need to be asleep)
Rock
-Splinterd Stoneshards (190 bp, -- ac, can be used by any Pokemon with Stone Edge and the correct Z move)
Steel
-NA
Water
-Brine (130 bp, 100 ac)
>Offensively, the types that seem to have the most buffs are Dark, Water, Normal, Ground, Flying, and Electric. There are also a few new good users of buffs to the Ghost, Poison, Grass, and Fighting attacks that are usable. No doubt though, that there will be a ton of offensive Dark, Water, Normal, and Ground users.
-Dark types get STAB in Assurance, Sucker, Pursuit, and Knock Off (not to mention a crazy powerful Z move for Incineroar). They also have immunity to all Prankster attacks, which normally would have +1 priority and easy sweeping. Dark types will no doubt play a crucial role in this meta.
-Water types have a 130 bp STAB Brine to take advantage of, which could be supported further with great Ice coverage in Blizzard, and buffed with Rain. Many good Water types can be seen taking advantage of this offensively and defensively.
-Ground types lost EQ, but got the 150 bp Stomping Tantrum. That alone is a monster, and can be seen often buffed with Sand Force or other powerful abilities.
-Normal types have new STABs on both ends with 120 bp Round and a 140 bp Facade, Retaliate, or Last Resort. Last Resort is interesting as it can be powered up with Normalium Z to have a much stronger Normal attack compared to Facade, so it isn't entirely outclassed.
>Offensive will likely be having a combo of the new high bp attacks with offensive boosting abilities. Many abilities are now always active, likely giving a x1.25-x1.5 buff to most / some attacks.
>Salac Berry might be the most game changing offensive item. Having +1 speed on switch in is great for new potential sweepers, now that they have the speed immediately and don't need set up. They can instead set up attack / special attack, and sweep not having to worry as much about speed. A dangerously powerful trick to keep, but like OU's Electric Seed Hawlucha, once it is consumed it's gone, and being phazed loses the bonus. This makes CS users still viable as much more reliable speed checks, while Salac users can still be great but risky late game sweepers.
>The Lieche / Petaya Berries also can offer an immediate stage increase to attack / special attack, which can be great for late game sweepers, wallbreakers, or revenge killers, but they are much more expendable compared to the choice items.
>Stick, the signature item for Farfetch'd (or Chancey's Lucky Punch), makes attacks have a 50% crit chance, or 100% for +1 crit attacks. This could be frustrating, and might be worth banning, but is worth noting for some Stallbreaker sets, as they can set up and get past Unaware walls.
>Expert Belt adds a x1.2 multiplier to all attacks, making it a better LO in most cases.
>While most x2 speed abilities are banned, Slush Rush and Surge Surfer remain, making the users very fast at little cost (Quick Feet and Speed Boost the only other legal speed buffing abilities).
>New priority includes a non-restrictive Sucker Punch, Prankster users that add priority to all attacks, Gale Wings that works at any remaining health, Triage for all attacks, and Custap Berry that works immediately.
>Custap Berry can be put on any set to immediately have a one time priority attack, making it great for revenge killing, It could also be held more reliably with Harvest users, which have infinite priority that isn't walled by Dark types.
>Defensively, walls mostly center around buffed recovery moves, contact effects, or Nightmare.
>Swallow always works and recovers 100%, and weather based abilities like Synthesis or Moonlight restore 66.7%.
>Hydration can be combined with Rest to fully restore both health and status, all while being cured at the end of the turn.
>Rain Dish and Ice Body offer great residual recovery, taking the place of the now banned Poison Heal.
>Rocky Helmet and abilities like Static also activate on special attacks, meaning there can be dangerous dividends to reckless all out attackers when walls stack Rocky Helmet with Rough Skin/Iron Barbs/Aftermath ect (note: Aftermath now activates on any contact attack, but still not special attacks).
>Nightmare works on woke targets, making it a nasty -25% max hp effect to have at the end of turns, more so when trapped.
>Most effects will have their max duration. This includes weather, terrains, and screens. Aurora Vail can be used outside of Hail, but still needs Light Clay to get the full amount of turns.

That's pretty much it, what does anyone else think? I'm still waiting approval with the OM team, and this meta hasn't been coded yet anywhere; all the thoughts I present are completely theoretical.
 
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Question: Rocky Helmet and its cohorts specifically activate off contact, not physical moves (Don't tell me someone's never switched a RH Ferrothorn in on your Starmie GK'ing. 40% recoil for like, 3% damage), so these Abilities and items now activate when targetted by any move?
 
Question: Rocky Helmet and its cohorts specifically activate off contact, not physical moves (Don't tell me someone's never switched a RH Ferrothorn in on your Starmie GK'ing. 40% recoil for like, 3% damage), so these Abilities and items now activate when targetted by any move?
Yup! That is because the last check for the activation of Rocky Helmet and other adverse contact effects is a “contact” check. With that gone, they now only have a “target” check, meaning when any apposing Pokemon attacks them with any physical/special/status attack, they will now activate. Note that chance based effects like Static and Flame
Body are still chance based though. They only now can be activated off any attack.
 
Idk if this was already done, but I was wondering one night: Wouldn't be cool to give Koko a better way to use it's movepool? Well, this is what I came into that (almost) sleepless night:

Photonic Moves (Previously known as Optimised Categories)
Metagame Premise: To put it simple, every move now has a Photon Geyser-esque effect (be either physical or special based on your mon's stats). That means that Tapu Koko can now use it's 115 base Attack stat into work with physical Thunderbolts, Landorus-T now can use unironically Sludge Wave, and Charizard-Y/Mega Latios has access to special Earthquake.

Potencial Bans & Threats: A ton of physical attackers are now benefited by their expanded movepools, like for example Gyarados and Dragonite (access to Flying STAB and powerful coverage in Fire Moves). In response, a lot of physically bulky mons will also be more necessary. Some of them include (Mega) Slowbro, Payapa Berry Toxapex, Intimidate users, and Will-o-Wisp users like Mega Sableye.

Starting Banlist:
  • Kyurem-B (Way too strong, powerful STAB with little to no drawback).
  • Overheat and it's variants (Too exploitable by physical attackers).
Questions for the community:
  • There's enough defensive options available to make Stall good?
 
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Idk if this was already done, but I was wondering one night: Wouldn't be cool to give Koko a better way to use it's movepool? Well, this is what I came into that (almost) sleepless night:

Optimised Categories
Metagame Premise:
To put it simple, every move now has the Photon Geyser effect (be either physical or special based on your mon's stats). That means that Tapu Koko can now use it's 115 base Attack stat into work with physical Thunderbolts, Landorus-T now can use unironically Sludge Wave, and Charizard-Y/Mega Latios has access to special Earthquake.

Potencial Bans & Threats: Kyurem-B is pretty much confirmed to get quickbanned, given how strong physical Ice Beam would be. Mega Mawile now has access to more powerful coverage (Flamethrower/Fire Blast & Ice Beam), and Overheat Charizard-X definitely sounds scary. So, Draco Meteor and Overheat also could be suspect worthy, given how spammeable they are as physical moves.

Questions for the community:
  • I personally find the name to be a bit unclear. Should it be renamed?
It's Full Potential but it doesn't make attacking stats irrelevant XD.
 
Idk if this was already done, but I was wondering one night: Wouldn't be cool to give Koko a better way to use it's movepool? Well, this is what I came into that (almost) sleepless night:

Optimised Categories
Metagame Premise:
To put it simple, every move now has the Photon Geyser effect (be either physical or special based on your mon's stats). That means that Tapu Koko can now use it's 115 base Attack stat into work with physical Thunderbolts, Landorus-T now can use unironically Sludge Wave, and Charizard-Y/Mega Latios has access to special Earthquake.

Potencial Bans & Threats: Kyurem-B is pretty much confirmed to get quickbanned, given how strong physical Ice Beam would be. Mega Mawile now has access to more powerful coverage options (Flamethrower/Fire Blast & Ice Beam), and Overheat Charizard-X definitely sounds scary. So, Draco Meteor and Overheat also could be suspect worthy, given how spammeable they are as physical moves.

Questions for the community:
  • I personally find the name to be a bit unclear. Should it be renamed?
Yeah totally rename it. It can be called something like “Photon Power” or “Giga Geyser” if you like what I’m getting at. Anyways, it’s not the worst idea, it does kinda remind me of both Full Potential and that one OM that switched the physical/special catagory of moves. Ik that neither of these OMs does exactly what this one does, but it might be too close to pass. Anyways, here’s some sets:

Volcarona @ Electrium Z
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Fiery Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Wild Charge

Electric coverage may not be as good as ground for Volc, but a +1 gigavolt is a guaranteed 1HKO on max special defensive pex and fini, and has an 88% chance to 1HKO fast heatrans after rocks. Not to mention it being able to be buffed with electric terrian, alowing it to then have a 94% chance 1HKO on full special def heatrans after rocks, and even shave off about 40% to chancey.

Garchomp @ Firium Z
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Fire Blast
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake

Chomp makes a great wallbreaker with it’s coverage, and has a nasty 130 bp draco that can be spammed without fear of damage drop offs, as it still only drops special attack. Firium Z after an SD can 1HKO common would be walls or phazers like Cele/Bulu/Skarm, and draco with eq makes a huge dent.

Other cool / huge threats include: Vacuum Wave Kart, Aqua Tail Serp, Explosion specs Blace to mess up pex and heatran (or anything really lol), Superpower specs Keldeo, Overheat zard x, Dazzling Gleam bulu / physical koko, protean gren that can be either full special/physical so it doesn’t spread itself thin (could be a blesssing or a curse i guess for mixed attackers), Hurricane Dragonite, Shift Gear Fleur Cannon phys Mag, Araq with much better coverage but still just ok water stabs, Flamethrower/Thunderbolt Slurpuff, Nasty Plot Espeed Toge, and physical HP on anything that wants it.

To me this meta looks like it favors physical attackers much more mostly because a ton of physical attackers have many great special attacks that are spread around. There will also probably be more physical Draco / Overheat / ect abusers than say special Superpower abusers as well. Physical attackers just look like to benefit more as a whole with this OM, but there’s no doubt a lot of good special sweepers here too.
 
This would be interesting to play, because while FP turns everything into a mixed attacker (well, it does if you're playing right), this forces every attacker into a single lane. Superpower Keldeo sounds cool until you run into Chansey, which Superpower only 3HKOs. This makes Keldeo and any Pokemon with Psyshock the only true mixed attackers. That being said, I agree with Ho3nConfirm3d, this metagame will be lousy with physical attackers with wide special moves (someone run Scarf Machamp, it'll be hilarious)
 

Mew @ Mewnium Z
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Swords Dance
- Psychic
- Soft-Boiled

An interesting quirk about Photon Geyser is that it actually takes into account stat boosts and drops when determining whether it will be physical or special. This could potentially allow for some mons to change whether they will attack physically or specially on the fly.
 
I was experimenting earlier, and I find some interseting things to share (mainly mixed attackers):

Diancie-Mega @ Diancite
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe or 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Jolly / Timid Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Moonblast
- Diamond Storm / Earth Power
- Protect
Diancie-M is unsurprisingly a hard mon at switchins, given that it has identical Atk & SpA. The ability to surprice physically bulky mons with special attacks and viceversa is a cool tool to have.

Magearna @ Fairium Z / Electrium Z
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 32 Atk / 8 Def / 216 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Fleur Cannon / Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast / Ice Beam
- Shift Gear
- Calm Mind
This EV spread let's you have a superior Atk stat after a Shift Gear, very useful to deal with specially bulky mons like Chansey. On the other hand, Soul-Heart and Calm Mind let's you surprise most physical walls, like Slowbro, Landorus-T, and Will-o-Wisp users.

Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Charm
- Seismic Toss
- Soft-Boiled
- Toxic
As this thing weren't unkillable enough, it also learns a move that decrease the foe's Attack stat, which means that, after enouch uses, their moves become special. Max physical defense is for Psyshock users and Keldeo.

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 64 Def / 16 SpD / 180 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 SpA
- Curse / Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Roost
This set is designed to outspeed Modest Heatran, and hit it hard with a Technician-boosted HP Ground. It's also good against Toxapex, who most likely will run physically bulky sets & carry Haze most of the time.

Gyarados @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 SpA
- Dragon Dance
- Hurricane
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower
Oh boy, this thing is scary. Earthquake & Flamethrower will remove any relevant Steel Type, as well as other checks, while SSSS nukes everything else. The only downside is Hurricane's low accurasy, which is partially patched by Flynium Z.

Meloetta @ Life Orb
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 128 Atk / 128 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Relic Song
- Close Combat
- Psychic
- Dazzling Gleam/Knock Off
Meloetta is probably the mon that best enbodies the term of mixed attacker. Relic Song transforms Melo from a bulky special attacker into a fast physical attacker, and thanks to this OM mechanics, it's able to exploit those changes at full, surpricing most switchins. However, ithout a Life Orb to boost it's attacks, it's damage output is kinda underwhelming.

Doublade @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Shadow Sneak
- Hidden Power [Ice]/Sacred Sword
- Swords Dance
A Flying resist and Fighting Inmunity is very useful when Gyarados and Dragonite are running wild with their terrifing Hurricanes, as well as Vacuum Wave Kartana looming behind. Swords Dance let's it pressure frailer/weakened threats in tandem with Shadow Sneak and Gyro Ball. However, it may have problems handling mixed attackers like Boltbeam Magearna, Knock Off Meloetta in Aria form or Earth Power Diancie.

Also, I just noticed that Photon Geyser's effect doesn't make physical moves special, meaning that maybe making this could be more complicated than what I expected. Perhaps that's a good excuse to use other namesake?
 
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Move Stacking

Premise: An OU based meta where, attacking moves stacks their effects with other moves. For example, if moves are Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, and Dazzling Gleam, then all moves will have 10% chance of either paralyze or freeze. The move effect's percentage will depend on all moves' percentage.
So it will be, (x+x)/2, (x+x+x)/3, or (x+x+x+x)/4 depending on moves with effects.

Example mon:

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Rockium Z
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Bulldoze/Mud Shot
A Bulldoze/Mud Shot Lando-t set. Every attacking move will lower opponent's Speed by 1.


Darmanitan @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Fire Punch
- Bulk Up
This Darmanitan set can be a wallbreaker. With LO Sheer Force boosted moves, it can break walls.

Potential Bans on Abilities: Serene Grace
Potential Bans on Moves: Nuzzle, Zap Cannon, Chatter, Dynamic Punch, Inferno, Power-Up Punch, Flame Charge, Mud Slap
Potential Bans on Pokemon: Mons that have banned abilities as their only abilities.

Metagame Threats: Moves that has 100% effects, Contrary, Simple, Sheer Force + Life Orb combo, Relic Song, Flinching moves, Multi-hit moves

Questions for the community: Should this be an OU based meta or an Uber based meta? Is it similar to Fortemons?
 
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Sample Sets:


Volcarona @ Buginium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Fiery Dance
- Struggle Bug
A Volcarona with its moves having 53% chance of lowering opponent's SpD, lowering opponent's SpA, or increasing user's SpA by 1.


Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Iron Head
- Poison Fang
- Play Rough/Sucker Punch
This mon has its moves a chance of 40%/30% of badly poisoning the target. With Iron Head having 40% chance of flinching or badly poisoning the target if Sucker Punch is the 4th move.
 
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Moves that can't be added as effects: Nuzzle, Zap Cannon, Chatter, Dynamic Punch, Inferno, Priority Moves, Power-Up Punch, Flame Charge, Flinching moves, Mud Slap
It's a cool idea, but this part right here is reminding me of Shared Power, which is setting off some major red flags. Just ban these moves altogether or don't ban them at all.

EDIT: also, if you define "additional effects" to mean "stuff affected by Sheer Force", then priority moves are fine.

EDIT 2: Multihit moves sound really good.

Cloyster @ White Herb
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Razor Shell
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast

Breloom @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bullet Seed
- Rock Smash
- Rock Tomb
- Swords Dance
 
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This was an idea I had, I shared the basic premise a while back but I've had a chance to refine it a bit more since then.

Name: Secret Slot
Premise: Wouldn't it be cool if your Pokemon could use 5 moves? Well now it can. The final move in your Pokemon's moveslot will be passed along to the next Pokemon in line, giving them an extra move. Example:



Skarmory @ Custap Berry
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Brave Bird

Salamence @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
- Dragon Dance

Heracross @ Heracronite
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Pin Missile
- Rock Blast
- Bullet Seed
- Close Combat

Weavile @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Ice Shard
- Icicle Crash

Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
IVs: 30 Atk
- Earth Power
- Roost
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Fusion Bolt

Tapu Koko @ Leftovers
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 20 HP / 252 Atk / 20 SpD / 216 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Defog
- Taunt
- Roost
- U-turn


Skarmory has Brave Bird in the final slot, so Salamence gains a very stong Flying-type STAB. Salamence has Dragon Dance in its final slot, giving Mega Heracross a way to cricumvent its average Speed - it also no longer has to run a boosting move, freeing the slot up for more coverage. Heracross has Close Combat in the final slot, letting Weavile run its favoured combination while still having a reliable way to hit bulky Steel types. Weavile gives Kyurem-B Icicle Crash, letting it have the physical Ice STAB it always wanted. It also doesn't have to run Ice Beam anymore, freeing the slot up for more coverage. It gives Fusion Bolt to Tapu Koko, so it can use its higher Attack stat. Lastly, Tapu Koko donates U-turn to Skarmory, giving it a way to scout switch ins and escape Magnezone without having to run Shed Shell.

Banlist
OU Banlist, OU Clauses
Ash-Greninja - yeah it can now have Tail Glow or Nasty Plot, as well as extra coverage.

Moves that can't be shared
Shell Smash, Shift Gear, Belly Drum, Extreme Speed, Spore, Geomancy
Note: Pokemon who learn these moves naturally can still use them.

Buffed Pokemon

Smeargle: donates just about anything you could ever want.
Manaphy: donates Tail Glow, appreciates the extra coverage
Salamence: appreciates getting Flying STAB, can donate Dragon Dance
Victini: donates V-create, Blue Flare, Bolt Strike and even Trick Room. Appreciates getting Ground or Fighting coverage.

Strategy

While this meta may seem very offensively inclined, actually stall can thrive here as you can give reliable recovery to stuff like Celesteela and Mega Aggron. Trick Room is also much better here, as theoretically all 6 of your Pokemon could set it up for themselves.

Q&A

How do items interract with the newly gained moves?
Same as they normally do. Z crystals will affect the newly gained moves, while you will be unable to use gained status moves if your Pokemon is holding an Assault Vest.

If the Pokemon goes down, will it still donate the moves?
Yes.

What about Hidden Power?
If passed, it will be the deafault Dark type Hidden Power unless you change the IVs. But why would you pass Hidden Power when almost everything learns it already?
 
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Pinchmons

Metagame premise: All Pokemon get a Torrent/Overgrow/Blaze/Swarm ability alongside whatever other ability they're using. Their primary typing decides the type of the ability.
Potential bans and threats: Mons that get low a lot, things that like to use Endure, Pinch berries (Hitmonlee comes to mind)
Questions for the community: N/A


oops this already exists i didnt do enough research, apologies
 
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Pinchmons

Metagame premise: All Pokemon get a Torrent/Overgrow/Blaze/Swarm ability alongside whatever other ability they're using. Their primary typing decides the type of the ability.
Potential bans and threats: Mons that get low a lot, things that like to use Endure, Pinch berries (Hitmonlee comes to mind)
Questions for the community: N/A
Lmao. This is the actual sample metagame idea in the OM submission guide.
 

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