S1nn0hC0nfirm3d
aka Ho3nConfirm3d
You shouldn't ban Regenerator just because there are a few mons that really abuse it on Stall / Balance. I think that it's more so relative to say that this meta has more underlining problems with the amount of new crazy bulky walls then just Regenerator. I get that you see how banning it would disrupt cores and a few very good mons can be gone, but then the 2nd best option will just be picked and will still be very stallish and hard to break.So I'm thinking that Regenerator should be banned.
Thoughts from the community?
That being said, it’s hard to recommend where to go from there. Ultimately, don’t ban Regenerator though.
So I counted 41 Pokemon (including megas) with new stat changes, 39 if you don’t count Shedninja and Mega Diance. Of those 39, I really only see about 12 mons here that can be OU viable, but 9 of those 12 are already ranked in OU as is. The 3 that might rise up are no doubt Mega Garchomp, and then maybe Electravire and Incineroar.Self-Improvement (Taking name suggestions)
Premise: Pokémon inherit the best value from their evolution chain so far for each stat (e.g. Incineroar gains Torracat's Speed, Porygon-Z has Porygon-2's Defenses, Steelix has Onix's Speed, but Litten doesn't gain Torracat's Speed and Lycanroc-Midnight doesn't gain Lycanroc-Midday's Speed).
Finer details (these are subject to change with community feedback):
- Pokémon will only gain from previous evolutions, and not from alternate forms of their current stage e.g. Meteor Minior doesn't inherit stats from Core Minior or vice versas. (Especially considering changing this one for more options)
- Mega Evolutions are counted as evolutions.
- Pokémon won't gain stats from branched evolution paths e.g. Slowbro doesn't gain from Slowking or vice versas.
All even slightly important changes with current rules (lemme know if I missed any of course):
Mega Beedrill: 65/150/40/45/80/145
Poliwrath: 90/95/95/70/90/90
Politoed: 90/75/75/90/100/90
Magnezone: 70/70/115/130/90/70
Steelix: 75/85/200/55/65/70
Mega Steelix: 75/125/230/55/95/70 (nice)
Tangrowth: 100/100/125/110/50/60
Scizor: 70/130/100/55/80/105 (yikes)
Mega Scizor: 70/150/140/65/100/105 (double yikes)
Electivire: 75/123/67/95/85/105
Magmortar: 65/95/67/125/95/93
Porygon-Z: 85/80/90/135/95/90 (OKAY)
Mega Ampharos: 90/95/105/165/110/55
Honchkrow: 100/125/52/105/52/91
Mega Heracross: 80/185/115/40/105/85
Octillery: 75/105/75/105/75/65
Pelipper: 60/50/100/95/70/85
Ninjask: 61/90/90/50/50/160
Shedinja HP and Defense buffs change nothing
Mega Sableye: 50/85/125/85/115/50
Mega Camerupt: 70/120/100/145/105/40
Armaldo: 75/125/100/70/80/75
Salamence: 95/135/100/110/80/100
Vespiquen: 70/80/102/80/102/70
Mega Garchomp: 108/170/115/120/95/102
Mega Abomasnow: 90/132/105/132/105/60
Leavanny: 75/103/90/70/80/92
Scolipede: 60/100/99/55/79/112
Crustle: 70/105/125/65/75/55
Escavalier: 70/135/105/60/105/60
Accelgor: 80/70/85/100/65/145
Volcarona: 85/85/65/135/105/100
Vivillon: 80/52/60/90/50/89
Mega Diancie: 50/160/150/160/150/110 (hahahahahahahahahahaha)
Incineroar: 95/115/90/80/90/90
Toucannon: 80/120/75/75/75/75
Vikavolt: 77/82/95/145/75/46
Crabominable: 97/132/77/62/67/63
Toxapex: 50/63/152/53/142/45
Mudsdale: 100/125/100/55/85/45
Golisopod: 75/125/140/60/90/80
Ubers changes (probably won't be relevant but these are pretty funny):
Mega Mewtwo Y: 106/150/90/194/120/140 (800 BST finally achieved)
Solgaleo: 137/137/131/113/131/97 (Not entirely outclassed anymore!)
Lunala: 137/113/131/137/131/97 (Bulkier than Lugia with Shadow Shield, 137 Sp.Atk and a 200 BP Z-Move, seems cool)
Threatlist:
Mega Scizor: Can run a variety of sets thanks to the Speed buff and outspeeds the slower meta without any investment.
Porygon-Z: The significant bulk increase improves all of Porygon-Z's sets, but most notably makes Z-Conversion much harder to kill.
Mega Diancie: Now ties for second highest BST (would be highest but Mega Mewtwo Y now has 800 BST), with its main weakness patched up effectively.
Questions:
- What are the winners and losers (if any losers) of this meta?
- Should Pokémon inherit stats from alternate in-battle forms, such as Zen Darmanitan, Pirouette Meloetta and Core Minior? If so, should it work both ways or should only the original / transformed form inherit?
- Should Mega Evolutions count as Evolutions like they currently do, or should they work differently (maybe gain as much as their base form did if applicable)?
- Does anything need banning? (Expecting people to say Mega Diancie)
- General thoughts?
With a small portion of all Pokemon as a whole affected, and then only a portion of those affected Pokemon are likely to be fit for OU standards, I gotta ask; what’s the point for this meta? Yeah it’s cool to ask “what if,” but the ridiculously small set of meaningful changes makes this OM sound so boring and uninspiring.
If you are serious about making this a meta, why not try making it a pet mod. You can be more liberal with your changes and include maybe all fully invloved Pokemon to gain something more from their prevo, like accesses to previous abilities or even new moves. As is, the OM you’re suggesting is just too baren.