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aamto said:
yes they have. why don't you take a look?

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aamto said:
yes they have. why don't you take a look?

hmmm...
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I didn't say every baseball player that took steroids and got off them would be average, you're obviously misunderstanding my point. Rationalism from your side would be appreciated but wait you obviously you don't have that.

If you support PED's be my guest, you're just one of the many people who ignore science and believe a fucking article from the Internet.

Thank you for copying and pasting another article. Don't copy and paste a long explanation from the internet trying to get your point across because I'm not having any of it. You write and post so little to back up such a claim. Steroids and athletic performance are equally linked from drug users, not a claim its factual.

I'm waiting for another article for you to post, article boy.
 
If you support for PED's be my guest, you're just one of the many people who ignore science and believe a fucking article from the Internet.
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it's funny you say this...considering the article is supported by science. you can't even read it to educate yourself and instead spout tired cliches and "conventional wisdom." it's like you want to be willfully ignorant. i can't relate to that. there is no tl;dr version of the article. it is a well written analysis, point by point, backed up by multiple cited sources. but you refuse to read it.

have fun playing in your sandbox, junior. leave the big boy talk to the adults.
 
aamto said:
lol, you can't even read an article to educate yourself and instead spout tired cliches and "conventional wisdom."

have fun playing in your sandbox, junior. leave the big boy talk to the adults.
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:evan:

Users like yourself don't belong here. Take your shit and get the fuck out if you can't even back up what you say.

Immature little girl.
 
i have backed up everything i've said. you can't seem to understand that because you refuse to educate yourself. if i were to attempt to summarize the article, it would defeat the purpose, as i wouldn't be able to explain it half as well as he did. the author did an excellent job of gathering evidence and breaking down many of the arguments against PEDs. i'm sorry you don't want to expand your knowledge about something you know so little about.

i can't argue with stupid.
 
aamto said:
i have backed up everything i've said. you can't seem to understand that because you refuse to educate yourself.

i can't argue with stupid.
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I've read the article. Spitting an article to prove a point gets you no brownie points, you show no intellect as an individual.

The steps for you to get into this argument was to post a link to which you expect me to agree with it and yet you give no proper reasoning whatsoever.

Insulting someone in the internet shows how much class you have as a person but frankly finding justification to somehow belittle me is amusing.

Bravo.
 
-RatCheesy said:
I've read the article. Spitting an article to prove a point gets you no brownie points, you show no intellect as an individual.

The steps for you to get into this argument was to post a link to which you expect me to agree with it and yet you give no proper reasoning whatsoever.

Insulting someone in the internet shows how much class you have as a person but frankly finding justification to somehow belittle me is amusing.

Bravo.
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you say steroids turned Sosa and others into superstars, mashing 60+ HRs. i cite an article that explicitly disproves that. you list players who allegedly took PEDs for one reason or another and only prove my point that PEDs can't turn you or me into Barry Bonds. you get defensive because your stance on steroids (they make you hit the ball really far! they turn scrubs into stars!) is not backed up by science.

and yet i'm the one who shows no intellect. i'm not trying to get brownie points nor am i trying to prove that i am smart. i am merely showing you that you are wrong and to encourage that you update your knowledge base.
 
aamto said:
you say steroids turned Sosa and others into superstars, mashing 60+ HRs. i cite an article that explicitly disproves that. you list players who allegedly took PEDs for one reason or another and only prove my point that PEDs can't turn you or me into Barry Bonds. you get defensive because your stance on steroids (they make you hit the ball really far! they turn scrubs into stars!) is not backed up by science.

and yet i'm the one who shows no intellect. i'm not trying to get brownie points nor am i trying to prove that i am smart. i am merely showing you that you are wrong and to encourage that you update your knowledge base.
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Like I said before, you've misunderstood me. I don't associate with any Bro science, steroids can't make every baseball player into a MVP caliber player.
PED's have different effects on every person, it can enhance others to perform better but others get negative side effects.

Arguing over the internet is completely ridiculous and waste of time.
We could continue this disagreement or misunderstanding but you and I stand on different grounds.
 
hey shut the fuck up and get back to talking about baseball

thanks,
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*sigh* Leave it to the Tigers to find great bullpen arms that explode within a couple months or so... I guess that's why we got Dotel. Nevertheless, we got a darn good bullpen now.
 
J-man said:
*sigh* Leave it to the Tigers to find great bullpen arms that explode within a couple months or so... I guess that's why we got Dotel. Nevertheless, we got a darn good bullpen now.
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ButteredToast said:
I thought your @#!*% got banned...
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I'd love to be the topic of discussion, but last I checked we were discussing baseball.

So sabermetricians... Please explain how Mat Latos was worth the haul the Padres got? I know there should be a little extra due to Latos being under team control, but for a guy that got a 3.70 ERA (not exact, off top of head.) at PETCO? He's gonna be pitching at the Great Americann Bandbox... I probably should have researched Latos more, but I feel the Reds got robbed.

EDIT FOR ACCURACY: Short term memory fail... :( 3.47 ERA and some good stats... Got worse from '10 to '11, but the Padres sucked in '11 ssssoooooo... Still think the Reds got robbed a bit, but then again, prospects are prospective. Reds got a decent rotation in the works.

AL East will be interesting to watch if the rumors that the Jays got Darvish were true.

My heart goes out to the two Japanese guys who got picked up by teams who don't really need them... Doubt Aoiki gets traded because the Brewers will need him for the first 50 some games of Braun-less Baseball, but it sounds like the shortstop might get traded to someone who can use him.
 
I just literally wrote a response to this Latos trade in the last hour with all these great stats and stuff, and I go to post it, and it doesn't go through because of my shitty internet. Kind of pissed. Going to quickly recap, as I'm too lazy to look up everything again. Go to baseball reference if you don't believe me.

To recap what I tried to write, the Reds need SP because their offense is good as it stands with Votto, Phillips, Stubbs, Bruce, etc. Latos provides a great upgrade from Volquez, as Volquez has missed some time in the last 3 years. Latos is also 24 and has better a significantly better IP, ERA, WHIP, WAR and SO/BB than Volquez. Latos also has a slightly above average Adj. ERA+ while Volquez is below average. Though Latos will obviously preform worse away from PETCO, he will still pitch better than a average pitcher. (If you didn't know, Adj. ERA+ adjusts ERA to the players ballpark for better comparison of pitchers in a hitter friendly parks to pitcher friendly parks). Latos is also only entering his third full season and has far more control at a lot cheaper salary than Volquez.

The prospects that the Reds gave up were practically a junk pile. They gave up a minor league reliever with control problems, a 1B prospect that is blocked by Votto, and one of their many good catching prospects. In return, the unloaded about $1.3 million in unneeded salary and gained a potential superstar pitcher with proven big league success. The Padres lost this deal, as they don't really need Volquez and the biggest prospect that they got is blocked by Rizzo at 1B. They honestly should have asked for Leake to at least have some upside. Overall, a major win for Cincinati.
 
J-man said:
I'd love to be the topic of discussion, but last I checked we were discussing baseball.

So sabermetricians... Please explain how Mat Latos was worth the haul the Padres got? I know there should be a little extra due to Latos being under team control, but for a guy that got a 3.70 ERA (not exact, off top of head.) at PETCO? He's gonna be pitching at the Great Americann Bandbox... I probably should have researched Latos more, but I feel the Reds got robbed.

EDIT FOR ACCURACY: Short term memory fail... :( 3.47 ERA and some good stats... Got worse from '10 to '11, but the Padres sucked in '11 ssssoooooo... Still think the Reds got robbed a bit, but then again, prospects are prospective. Reds got a decent rotation in the works.
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Reds dealt from positions where they had incredible depth (1B and C) to get a pitcher who is team controlled for 4 more seasons and features #1 upside. they bought high but Latos has put up 7.2 fWAR in 2 seasons and is only 24. the NL Central is incredibly weak with Pujols and Fielder gone (most likely) and Braun likely having to serve a 50 game suspension. ace pitching doesn't come cheap and there is a lot of risk to the trade, but it's definitely defensible. Latos strikes out enough batters, limits walks, and has a good enough GB% that the move to Cin won't have too great an effect on him.

my problem with this trade is Dusty + Latos. that man...he doesn't mix well with rookie pitchers.
 
Eradicator said:
Rumors say that the Cards could be interested in Beltran. Any thoughts?
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With Wainwright? (don't think i spelled that right.) coming back, the cards will be a still be a force with that rotation. Beltran would definitely be a very good offensive insurance policy with the likes of Berkman, Molina, Holiday, and Freese still in that lineup.
 
Steroids have little to no effect on baseball, as hand eye coordination, reaction time, swing mechanics, pitch recognition are the key attributes that hitters need to master in order to become successful. Not the 50 inch biceps steroids supposedly give you; don't be a media sheep. Hands up if you can prove that steroids or any other drug helped Ryan Braun set career bests in K% and BB%, raised his 2011 ISO a whopping .14 over his career mark, or gave him the ability to have a little more of his balls in play fall in for hits. Oh, you can't? Well, okay.

Reds pulled off a great deal dealing non star prospects for a guy who just turned 24 and is already an ace. Oh, and he's making league minimum currently and has four years until he can be a FA.

bwebber has spoken.
 
bwebber said:
Reds pulled off a great deal dealing non star prospects for a guy who just turned 24 and is already an ace. Oh, and he's making league minimum currently and has four years until he can be a FA.
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I feel like they could have given a very similar deal to the A's and gotten Gio Gonzalez instead of Mat Latos, but thats just bias on my part (fyi my rotation for fantasy baseball last year was Halladay/Cueto/Gonzalez/Marcum/Liriano lalala). That was an extremely good deal for the Padres imo, since they get two excellent prospects at key positions (Grandal / Alonso), a serviceable starter, and a good relief prospect (possibly replacing Mike Adams/Heath Bell in a year or two?)
 
ButteredToast said:
Right bwebber. Barry Bonds would NEVER have been intentionally walked/ pitched around all those times if it wasn't for the 'roids...
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LOL, so what are you saying, that Bonds was intentionally walked because he used steroids? Bonds was intentionally walked because he was a fearsome hitter, and injecting himself didn't turn him him into a behemoth. Steroids boost testosterone production; it lets you work out for longer and gives you results faster, but you still need to work just as much as everyone else. Besides, steroids aren't magical beans. They turn good players great, great players elite, and elite players legend. Bonds was already a hall of fame caliber player before he even roided. How'd steroids turn out for Alex Sanchez, the very first player busted for PED's?

tennisace said:
I feel like they could have given a very similar deal to the A's and gotten Gio Gonzalez instead of Mat Latos, but thats just bias on my part (fyi my rotation for fantasy baseball last year was Halladay/Cueto/Gonzalez/Marcum/Liriano lalala). That was an extremely good deal for the Padres imo, since they get two excellent prospects at key positions (Grandal / Alonso), a serviceable starter, and a good relief prospect (possibly replacing Mike Adams/Heath Bell in a year or two?)
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Except Latos is a lot better than Gio, and you don't trade cost controlled aces in order to get a reliever and a serviceable starter. I like both Alonso and Grandal, but neither project to be anything more than solid everyday regulars.
 
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