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PKMN Trainer Manson said:
I really liked RSE for having 2 rivals, but it bothered me one was some random person and the other was the opposite player character. That was strange to me. At least this time its two random people. Instead of half and half. Consistency, man.
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Shroomisaur said:
By the way, who else noticed that at 3:00-3:05 in the video, and again at 3:19-3:25, the music seemed very familiar? ...I figured out that it was nearly identical to a section of the R/S/E Team Magma/Aqua Leader battle music! It transitioned to a different melody in-between, but it was the same tune and rhythm as 0:51 in the Magma/Aqua Leader song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRsUBDLTrZ0
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Are these coincidences hints at Ruby and Sapphire remakes coming down the pipeline? Lots of similar stuff happened in Diamond/Pearl that pointed to the eventual HeartGold/SoulSilver.

I know this is Black and White speculation, but when we have a 'pattern' like we have established, these hints seem related.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they remake Ruby/Sapphire, and yet another remake of Red/Green. Whole bunch of people going to have a DSi or 3DS, but not an old school DS with a GBA port.
 
Gazooki said:
Pretty much inevitable due to it being psychic. But why would you want to swap its abilities? Both are really nifty abilities that could make this guy really useful in both singles and VGC, provided he has the stats to back them up.
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I think Swapping Traunt onto Rankles is worth giving a Life Orb Slaking Magic Guard. I'm sure other tanks that could use it better would love it too.

Something like Double Edge/Shadow Claw/Earthquake/Ice Punch would be deadly on a Magic Guard Slaking.
 
So.

We know how powerful Fire Punch is. We know Hihidaruma gets STAB from it. We have a decent idea of Rankurusu's HP and defense stats. We have a rough estimate of how much damage Hihidaruma's Fire Punch does to Rankurusu (~50%). We don't know how big of a boost Encourage gives or towards what exactly, but we can assume Fire Punch gets a boost (10% burn chance) and we can also assume that Encourage most likely won't exceed 50% (frankly, I think 40% and 50% are an unlikely boost since you're really not giving up all that much).

So hell, why not attempt to find a range for Hihidaruma's base attack?

(Only bothering with 31 IV/0 EVs stat estimates for both pokemon since there's already a lot of calculations)

Encourage: 10% boost
Base 114 - 139
Encourage: 20% boost
Base 103 - 126
Encourage: 30% boost
Base 94 - 115
Encourage: 40% boost
Base 86 - 105
Encourage: 50% boost
Base 79 - 97

20% is how much I thought Encourage would boost power by before this footage, so that's the range I'm sticking to. However, if you're keen, you probably noticed how many times I said "idea" or "estimate" throughout this post, and see the large potential variance in Hihidaruma's base attack even with all my assumptions. Well...yeah. Not gonna lie, these are pretty sketchy calculations >_> Just something I noticed that I thought I'd share with smogon.
 
The King of Harts said:
I think Swapping Traunt onto Rankles is worth giving a Life Orb Slaking Magic Guard. I'm sure other tanks that could use it better would love it too.

Something like Double Edge/Shadow Claw/Earthquake/Ice Punch would be deadly on a Magic Guard Slaking.
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That would benefit Slaking greatly, but not Rankurusu. And with the new gameplay, FireMonkey (yes that's his name for now) did a tiny bit over half to Ranku with fire punch
 
The King of Harts said:
I think Swapping Traunt onto Rankles is worth giving a Life Orb Slaking Magic Guard. I'm sure other tanks that could use it better would love it too.

Something like Double Edge/Shadow Claw/Earthquake/Ice Punch would be deadly on a Magic Guard Slaking.
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Toxic Orb Facade > LO Double Edge. Otherwise, yeeesssss. Slaking needs love.

Edit: I'm sure there will be a Gen III remake. FRLG and HGSS both made a handsome profit, and I'd assume remaking a game is cheaper than starting from scratch.
 
IcyMan28 said:
The entire storyline of Emerald was built around the fact that Rayquaza has the power to stop Groudon and Kyogre from fighting. You even get to see it happen with a neat little cutscene sequence. The concept has been mentioned before as well - Movie 2 established that Lugia > Kanto legendary birds, and the storylines of GSC indicate that Ho-oh has a relationship superior to the beasts, seeing as it did, you know, revive them. Then there is Regigigas and the Regis, and of course Arceus which trumps both the Dialga/Palkia/Giratina triangle and the Azelf/Uxie/Mesprit triangle. The concept is all over the games.
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The games say nothing about Lugia having any association with the birds other than also being a bird itself, which Ho-oh also is. In fact, the games call them as well as the bird trio from RGBY as "legendary birds", offering no distinction one is more powerful and also "leads" or "controls" other Pokemon.

The reason why I don't believe in the "trio master" fandom archetype is because there's zero consistency in what people call as a "trio master". Lugia could be considered the "trio master" of the birds but only in the anime (which should make it a non-issue), Ho-oh is kinda sorta associated with the dogs but not much beyond reviving them from the ashes of Burned Tower, Rayquaza doubles as both a "trio master" and part of the trio which is nonsensical, Regigigas is along with Ho-oh as one of only two that can be called a "trio master" since it is associated with the Regis in both name and origin but it's weird because he was introduced a gen later, and Arceus would technically control TWO trios, which is just weird. It's such a flimsy classification. No consistency.

/offtopic, I'm really sorry to continue the argument, just stuff like referring to Lugia and Ho-oh and what have you as "trio masters" really grinds my Gearlu (and now I'm on topic again! not really). I just hate it when people try to find a pattern when there isn't one...
 
Sprocket said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they remake Ruby/Sapphire, and yet another remake of Red/Green. Whole bunch of people going to have a DSi or 3DS, but not an old school DS with a GBA port.
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That could really happen, and i'm not sure if i want. I meant that would start an endless circle of remakes if they wanted to have every gen in the new console :/!
 
Chateau said:
Toxic Orb Facade > LO Double Edge. Otherwise, yeeesssss. Slaking needs love.
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Personally, I'll give up 39 base power between Facade and Double Edge for a Life Orb boost to all of my attacks.

Unknown Tsutaja said:
That would benefit Slaking greatly, but not Rankurusu. And with the new gameplay, FireMonkey (yes that's his name for now) did a tiny bit over half to Ranku with fire punch
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True, but like I said, I think a Magic Guard Slaking is worth it. Also, if Rankles has decent bulk, he could probably swap it again to the opponent since he as Slaking Kong on his side.
 
Nanoswine said:
Add Venomoth to the list of mons that want evos. Takes away stall's precious T-spikes (and possibly laying down its own) while at the same time threatening with Specs-boosted Tinted Lens!
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Pointing out Venemoth doesn't remove T-Spikes.

And as for a Gen 1 remake, maybe they would do Thunder Yellow to avoid redundancy?

Jk, Lightning Yellow. Thunder is colorless.
 
The King of Harts said:
Personally, I'll give up 39 base power between Facade and Double Edge for a Life Orb boost to all of my attacks.


True, but like I said, I think a Magic Guard Slaking is worth it. Also, if Rankles has decent bulk, he could probably swap it again to the opponent since he as Slaking Kong on his side.
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That would be a nice strat. Swapping it to the opponent, but seeing the footage, it doesn't have that high of a defense IMO, maybe it's Sp. Def will be better. Even though it has hella ton HP.
 
The newest video (one with triple battles), confirmed that Gochiruzeru, the goth lady Pokemon, can be both male and female (x_x). In the previous videos/scans, all Gochiruzeru were female. Conversely, all Rankurusu shown before were male, but in this video, it can be female.

Just something I'd like to point out :p
 
sb879 said:
So.

We know how powerful Fire Punch is. We know Hihidaruma gets STAB from it. We have a decent idea of Rankurusu's HP and defense stats. We have a rough estimate of how much damage Hihidaruma's Fire Punch does to Rankurusu (~50%). We don't know how big of a boost Encourage gives or towards what exactly, but we can assume Fire Punch gets a boost (10% burn chance) and we can also assume that Encourage most likely won't exceed 50% (frankly, I think 40% and 50% are an unlikely boost since you're really not giving up all that much).

So hell, why not attempt to find a range for Hihidaruma's base attack?

(Only bothering with 31 IV/0 EVs stat estimates for both pokemon since there's already a lot of calculations)

Encourage: 10% boost
Base 114 - 139
Encourage: 20% boost
Base 103 - 126
Encourage: 30% boost
Base 94 - 115
Encourage: 40% boost
Base 86 - 105
Encourage: 50% boost
Base 79 - 97

20% is how much I thought Encourage would boost power by before this footage, so that's the range I'm sticking to. However, if you're keen, you probably noticed how many times I said "idea" or "estimate" throughout this post, and see the large potential variance in Hihidaruma's base attack even with all my assumptions. Well...yeah. Not gonna lie, these are pretty sketchy calculations >_> Just something I noticed that I thought I'd share with smogon.
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I'm liking that 20% boost spread. It gives it enough attack to be a hard hitter without being broken because of its ability.
 
Jibaku said:
The newest video (one with triple battles), confirmed that Gochiruzeru, the goth lady Pokemon, can be both male and female
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Tee hee.

PKMN Trainer Manson said:
The games say nothing about Lugia having any association with the birds other than also being a bird itself, which Ho-oh also is. In fact, the games call them as well as the bird trio from RGBY as "legendary birds", offering no distinction one is more powerful and also "leads" or "controls" other Pokemon.

The reason why I don't believe in the "trio master" fandom archetype is because there's zero consistency in what people call as a "trio master". Lugia could be considered the "trio master" of the birds but only in the anime (which should make it a non-issue), Ho-oh is kinda sorta associated with the dogs but not much beyond reviving them from the ashes of Burned Tower, Rayquaza doubles as both a "trio master" and part of the trio which is nonsensical, Regigigas is along with Ho-oh as one of only two that can be called a "trio master" since it is associated with the Regis in both name and origin but it's weird because he was introduced a gen later, and Arceus would technically control TWO trios, which is just weird. It's such a flimsy classification. No consistency.

/offtopic, I'm really sorry to continue the argument, just stuff like referring to Lugia and Ho-oh and what have you as "trio masters" really grinds my Gearlu (and now I'm on topic again! not really). I just hate it when people try to find a pattern when there isn't one...
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You needed the dogs (all of them, I guess?) to get to Ho-oh in Crystal. And while Lugia's relation is really sketchy, at least in one of HGSS's trailers, they put it in along with the birds, so it's not like the only reference to a relation between them is the anime.

And really, at least to me, this trio leader idea only works for the 580 trios. Lugia = Legendary Birds, Ho-oh = Legendary Beasts, Regigigas = Regis, Arceus = Pixies. It's more of a creator-creature relationship, and even then Lugia is REALLY sketchy (if not for the HGSS trailer and lol the second movie)...
 
PKMN Trainer Manson said:
The reason why I don't believe in the "trio master" fandom archetype is because there's zero consistency in what people call as a "trio master". Lugia could be considered the "trio master" of the birds but only in the anime (which should make it a non-issue), Ho-oh is kinda sorta associated with the dogs but not much beyond reviving them from the ashes of Burned Tower, Rayquaza doubles as both a "trio master" and part of the trio which is nonsensical, Regigigas is along with Ho-oh as one of only two that can be called a "trio master" since it is associated with the Regis in both name and origin but it's weird because he was introduced a gen later, and Arceus would technically control TWO trios, which is just weird. It's such a flimsy classification. No consistency.
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You're making difficulties by creating your own narrow definition of "trio master" and superimposing it on everyone else's use of the term.
It is absolutely no problem to head a trio you are a part of. You never lead a team you were a member of?
These also zero problem with leading multiple trios.

Arceus, Rayquaza and Regigigas are heads of groups of three related Pokemon...simple!
 
Mario With Lasers said:
You needed the dogs (all of them, I guess?) to get to Ho-oh in Crystal. And while Lugia's relation is really sketchy, at least in one of HGSS's trailers, they put it in along with the birds, so it's not like the only reference to a relation between them is the anime.
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I do agree Ho-oh could be considered some sort of "trio master" but holy cow, I never saw that (it's actually a commercial), search it up on Youtube, and I'll be damned if that isn't true.

I honestly don't know what to say now... I'm still skeptical since the games, as everyone knows, still makes absolutely no connection whatsoever between Lugia and the legendary birds other than grouping them along with Lugia and Ho-oh under the title "legendary birds"... besides that commercial now. Let's end it here though, don't want to continue the argument. I really shouldn't have brought it up again.

The music change is such an amazing touch. Just hearing it happen is really cool. I like how they mix the warning jingle in with music and how the Pokemon's animation slows down as it gets weaker like its icon on the party screen. I wonder why the battle music for Musharna was different. I wonder if there's different music at night?
 
deluge said:
Arceus, Rayquaza and Regigigas are heads of groups of three related Pokemon...simple!
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Well Arceus and Regigigas control a group of three while Rayquaza is the controlling piece of a group of three.

I'd say while Ho-oh and Lugia are not "masters" they are associated with a group of three, and I'm sure that pattern will continue in Gen V.
 
Chateau said:
Well Arceus and Regigigas control a group of three while Rayquaza is the controlling piece of a group of three.

I'd say while Ho-oh and Lugia are not "masters" they are associated with a group of three, and I'm sure that pattern will continue in Gen V.
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The question is who will be the Master and who are they going to control another trio?
 
I love how the battle music for the rival and wild pokemon battles begin. It has a futuristic and Gen 1 feel to them:naughty:
 
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