Pokemon Black and White (SPECULATIONS ALLOWED HERE)

[deluge]

Hopefully they won't get it. They aren't the ones that need it, however much they might want it. Rapidash and Flareon actually need the boost, and make a lot more sense flavor-wise than Magmortar and Heatran.

As far as comparisons between Hihidharma's Fire Punch and Pokabu's Nitro Charge go, keep in mind that Hihidharma probably has a much higher base Attack stat.

Flareon will still be meh without a good physical attack to pair with Nitro Charge (assuming it's a Special move).
Sure it has usable SpA but there are faster Pokemon with more.

IMO, Rapidash would rather a way to boost its attack since it is quite fast as it is.
Magmortar, OTOH would absolutely destroy with a speed boost and the freedom to switch to TBolt, Focus Blast/Cross Chop/EQ as it pleased. :evil:

 

[Lucalibur]

just gonna mention that movie/anime dont count around here because gamefreak is not the one making, thus its non-canon. so yeah....ignore movie 2 and anything anime related.

 

[Jonathan]

Ahhh the starting town music is so awesome!!!!

Also this is obvious to anyone who has watched the Pokebeach video but Nitro Charge is a physical attack...just putting it out there as I haven't seen it stated explicitly anywhere. I've been trying to figure out the Base Power of Nitro Charge and I'm pretty confident it's 50. I've made quite a few assumptions, namely that Pokabu is physically based and that Tsutaja is somewhat frail. Using Mudkip as an upper bound for how much attack Pokabu could conceivably have (base 70 Attack) and Treecko as a lower bound for Tsutaja's defenses (40 HP / 35 Def), a physical 50 BP Fire attack from Pokabu does about 90% on average to Tsutaja. In the video Tsutaja takes about 79% damage, which would make a 50 BP Fire attack a very reasonable guess, as Tsutaja is likely to be more bulky than Treecko and Pokabu less powerful than Mudkip. Of course this is by no means conclusive evidence, but it is highly likely Nitro Charge is a 50 BP physical fire attack with a 70% chance to raise speed one stage. :)

 

[IcyMan28]

just gonna mention that movie/anime dont count around here because gamefreak is not the one making, thus its non-canon. so yeah....ignore movie 2 and anything anime related.

So that removes...Lugia and the Kanto birds. Everything else remains.

^And I was thinking the same thing, Jon. It's a relatively weak move but it should see some use on Pokabu, who looks like it will be somewhat slow. A move like that could be useful on a few pokemon, but since speed doesn't boost power, I don't see it having the same utility as some of the SubCharge sets found on Rotom and Lanturn.

 

[deluge]

Ahhh the starting town music is so awesome!!!!

Also this is obvious to anyone who has watched the Pokebeach video but Nitro Charge is a physical attack...just putting it out there as I haven't seen it stated explicitly anywhere.

lol, I watched the video but kept thinking of the analogy with Charge Beam rather than the animation.
Now that you mention it, it does seem more like the animation of a Physical attack.

Well Flareon all the way heh.
I hope it gets a higher Base Power attack somehow.

 

[Chateau]

Gamefreak trolled us all
they evolved a Pokemon
with Spoink's BST.

 

[Lucalibur]

gen 3:rayquaza was the one that calmed those 2 down but it was never mentioned he was capable of defeating both, he was a pacifist at best.

gen2: you got me with the ho-oh thing.

gen 4:i dont think you should even count arceus. he is pretty much THE big boss of everything so he can be considered the trio master of ALL trios out there and normal pokemons too.

 

[clarinetist87]

just gonna mention that movie/anime dont count around here because gamefreak is not the one making, thus its non-canon. so yeah....ignore movie 2 and anything anime related.

Does that mean the the Gamecube games are also non-cannon? I've always considered canonical any game that allows you to capture Pokemon and transfer it to the core series.

 

[blasphemy1]

The creators of Pokemon =/= Gamefreak. Whatever material the creator of Pokemon wants to be canon, is canon. No different than George Lucas with Star Wars. The studio involved with the movies isn't the only company allowed to produce canon for the franchise, there are also books, movies, etc. Anime is Pokemon canon.

 

[Lucalibur]

man you would expect the trio master to be stronger then the trio right? cause the birds raped lugia ass pretty badly on that movie. IF he is the master of the birds then damn....he is worst trio master so far.

 

[clarinetist87]

The creators of Pokemon =/= Gamefreak. Whatever material the creator of Pokemon wants to be canon, is canon. No different than George Lucas with Star Wars. The studio involved with the movies isn't the only company allowed to produce canon for the franchise, there are also books, movies, etc. Anime is Pokemon canon.

Except the Anime has many different stories which are mutually exclusive. There are several different mangas, for instance, not to mention the show.

Back on topic: Do we have translations of the text in the vids?

 

[Greysnow]

Am i only one hoping Megurk(Alligator thing) gets an evo.

 

[IcyMan28]

gen 3:rayquaza was the one that calmed those 2 down but it was never mentioned he was capable of defeating both, he was a pacifist at best.

gen2: you got me with the ho-oh thing.

gen 4:i dont think you should even count arceus. he is pretty much THE big boss of everything so he can be considered the trio master of ALL trios out there and normal pokemons too.

It doesn't need to fight, it has enough control to where they simply stop fighting. As far as Arceus, the games make a specific point in establishing Arceus' relationships to those two individual trios, so I'll stand by that point.

man you would expect the trio master to be stronger then the trio right? cause the birds raped lugia ass pretty badly on that movie. IF he is the master of the birds then damn....he is worst trio master so far.

True, though that doesn't mean a revolt of sorts is out of the question. Plus that movie also had some strange prophesy in which Ash (of course) had to save the world. I'd be willing to leave Lugia + Birds as relatively shaky evidence; Ho-oh, Rayquaza, Arceus, and Regigigas all have solid proof however.

Back on topic: Do we have translations of the text in the vids?

And I don't think there was anything new; Jibaku confirmed Nitro Charge for Pokabu and Reflect for Rankurosu, but other than that nothing.

EDIT: That said, I'm assuming that the Mijumari vs. Mamepato scene was displaying Pigeon Heart/Breast's ability to prevent defense reduction. It that's true, it means Mijumaru used Leer. On the surface it seems like useless info, but the distribution of Growl/Leer among the starters has generally followed a pattern. In Gen 1, Charmander was the only one capable of learning Leer, and it was the offensive of the three starters (high speed/SpA). Squirtle (the defensive one) and Bulbasaur (the balanced one) got Growl. In Gen 2, Totodile and Cyndaquil got Leer, while Growl was relegated to Chikorita (the defensive one). Gen 3 was a little odd in that Torchic got Growl despite becoming an offensive powerhouse, but Treecko got Leer and is a speedy attacker. Finally, Gen 4 gave Leer to Chimchar. Again, the offensive one.

Basically, the general pattern seems to be Leer + Offensive starter, Growl + Balanced/Defensive starter (and then there is Turtwig). If this holds true, then maybe Mijumaru will be more offensively inclined, with bulk similar to Feraligatr at best.

 

[FearZeCrawdaunt]

Bug/Fire is a terrible type. A 4x weakness to Rock and no Ground immunity is terrible and it's not particularly great offensively either. Bug/Ground is better both offensively and defensively.

I wouldn't want to use it. I just want an ant with a magnifying glass for a tail to be part of the new generation. It's a fire ant. It's GOT SUCH A GOOD SETUP!

 

[Sprocket]

In those PokeBeach videos, I notice two subtle things:

1. When your HP gets into the red, the battle music changes. Also when your HP gets into the red, the little animation that your Pokemon does slows way down.
2. The camera seems to bob and weave a lot while you're making a decision on what to do, it seems.

 

[Lucalibur]

now that is awesome sauce, it make things so much more real! we talk about gen 5 now and in 30 years we are gonna be walking with illusion pokemons around the street asking for battles.

 

[deluge]

In those PokeBeach videos, I notice two subtle things:

1. When your HP gets into the red, the battle music changes. Also when your HP gets into the red, the little animation that your Pokemon does slows way down.
2. The camera seems to bob and weave a lot while you're making a decision on what to do, it seems.

On point (2), I was wondering at one point if the player can control it to some extent or whether it was just showing each Pokemon in turn.

 

[Sprocket]

On point (2), I was wondering at one point if the player can control it to some extent or whether it was just showing each Pokemon in turn.

It's really hard to say since the videos only show the top screen. If I had to guess, the player cannot control it.

 

[Unknown Tsutaja]

Oh and I just noticed, the fire monkey's fire punch was a crit

 

[Shroomisaur]

Oh and I just noticed, the fire monkey's fire punch was a crit

Good find, that means we can't say just yet that Tsutaja is defensively weak or that abomafire's Attack is high (although both are still very likely). That also makes it difficult to gauge how strong Nitro Boost is...

I also noticed the battle music changing when HP is critical, that's and the warning chime is also slower and softer... a good change, it makes HP critical less annoying and more dire-sounding. The camera panning around is most likely automatic, but it would be very interesting of the user could control it with the D-Pad or something!

By the way, who else noticed that at 3:00-3:05 in the video, and again at 3:19-3:25, the music seemed very familiar? ...I figured out that it was nearly identical to a section of the R/S/E Team Magma/Aqua Leader battle music! It transitioned to a different melody in-between, but it was the same tune and rhythm as 0:51 in the Magma/Aqua Leader song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRsUBDLTrZ0

I'm also liking the fast and crisp animations on the attacks, as well as the HP bar depleting at a respectable rate... maybe Blissey's HP will take less than 30 seconds this generation!

 

[Sprocket]

I'm also liking the fast and crisp animations on the attacks, as well as the HP bar depleting at a respectable rate... maybe Blissey's HP will take less than 30 seconds this generation!

Amen to that. That's a change 10 years overdue.

Come to think of it, have they said who the villains are yet?

 

[sb879]

To add to Jibaku's list of new information, in the Oha Suta footage from today (on filb), Rankurusu learns Skill Swap. weeeeeee

EDIT: Also, this was basically what most people were assuming, but Chiraami appears to be really weak. Remember how Kibago's Double Chop (is this right?) almost KO'd Munna? Chiraami's Sweep Slap does about 20% to it ._.

 

[Unknown Tsutaja]

Good find, that means we can't say just yet that Tsutaja is defensively weak or that abomafire's Attack is high (although both are still very likely). That also makes it difficult to gauge how strong Nitro Boost is...

I also noticed the battle music changing when HP is critical, that's and the warning chime is also slower and softer... a good change, it makes HP critical less annoying and more dire-sounding. The camera panning around is most likely automatic, but it would be very interesting of the user could control it with the D-Pad or something!

By the way, who else noticed that at 3:00-3:05 in the video, and again at 3:19-3:25, the music seemed very familiar? ...I figured out that it was nearly identical to a section of the R/S/E Team Magma/Aqua Leader battle music! It transitioned to a different melody in-between, but it was the same tune and rhythm as 0:51 in the Magma/Aqua Leader song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRsUBDLTrZ0

I'm also liking the fast and crisp animations on the attacks, as well as the HP bar depleting at a respectable rate... maybe Blissey's HP will take less than 30 seconds this generation!

I think they're both true. I just hope grass mixer has a lot of power, to say the least. And I noticed that too, an dI was like- Hm, Team Aqua?
And that was hilarious xD

 

[DDRMaster]

To add to Jibaku's list of new information, in the Oha Suta footage from today (on filb), Rankurusu learns Skill Swap. weeeeeee

EDIT: Also, this was basically what most people were assuming, but Chiraami appears to be really weak. Remember how Kibago's Double Chop (is this right?) almost KO'd Munna? Chiraami's Sweep Slap does about 20% to it ._.

Well I guess it's either the Pachirisu of this generation (pretty likely) or it's NFE. I'm hoping for the latter.

 

[Gazooki]

To add to Jibaku's list of new information, in the Oha Suta footage from today (on filb), Rankurusu learns Skill Swap. weeeeeee

Pretty much inevitable due to it being psychic. But why would you want to swap its abilities? Both are really nifty abilities that could make this guy really useful in both singles and VGC, provided he has the stats to back them up.