I would like some discussion and suspect testing on the Baton Pass issue, because last Gen it was banned due to Scolipede, Necrozma, Magearna, Z-Boost Eevee, Blaziken etc... NONE of which is even in Gen 8
Being experienced in long chain baton pass, I think it should stay banned, especially whilst dynamaxing is around. I would have killed for a 3 turn phazing immunity when I was running it. It's far too difficult for conventional teams to deal with given the options available to them and until haze is given a mass increase in available users probably should remain banned.
could you share the team code of this team ? it seem interestingHey, thought I'd make a post about Sand Balance. I made a post earlier in this thread but I felt like it was too rushed and not to the point. But I feel like not many people have been talking about or showing traction, nor have many people been using it (from what I've been seeing).
Anyway, over the past few days, I have been breezing through ladder and I would like to believe it's due to the spam of Sand Balance in the form of:
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These kind of cores are well suited for the meta right now imo. They have tools to beat offense, stall, and anything in between.
Starting off, the obviously true and tried core of TTar + Drill. I have tried support tar and band tar, both work great. Then SD Drill is a staple. The thing about drill in SS OU is that this mon is so versatile. To emphasize, think of it like this: It can SD, it can get a speed boost from spin very easily, it can get its defense boosted from the Dynamax Iron Head... This mon can literally setup on its own and win in certain scenarios. It's pretty insane. I had a game earlier where a scarf rotom Volt Switch'd on me as I spun (+1 speed boost), I SD'D on the switch then when he tried to kill me with his Hippowdon I dynamax'd and got the +1 Defense raise (along w/ the attack increase from Dynamax), leading me to just sweep with Drill himself, no sand needed or anything. This mon is super capable especially with Dynamax mechanics.
The defensive core of Ferro + Clef + Rotom/Pex is really good too. I think ferro is a god mon in the sense that it can beat mons 1v1 such as Gyara/Barraskewda/Excadrill with a simple Dynamax button. As well as Leech + Protect and Spikes are really good supporting moves. Clef, even without Softboiled in the form as an LO attacker or Bulky CM mon (w/ Moonlight/Wish ) is just good in general for being able to reliably pressure fat builds that are being commonly used. There isn't much downside to this mon as it can also beat stuff like Dragapult/Offensive Fighting types. It's really good imo. And you have your bulky water.
Top this all off with a Dragapult or something else of your choice for speed control as back up.
Anyway, I think that this is a more consistent playstyle from stall / cheese-y offense from what I've seen. I haven't really encountered too many tough matchups where I can't outplay which has definitely intrigued me a bit to spread the word about how these types of archetypes are good in the meta.
Good replays showcasing it:
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Incorrect. Terrains only effect grounded pokemon. Swoobat; as a Flying-type; cannot benefit from Psychic Terrain unless it is grounded.
Two days ago I tried Belly Drum / Fire Punch / Acrobatics / EQ with Sitrus Berry. It snowballs nicely, but honestly everything does with Flying- and Fight- Dynamax moves (gotta try Blitz/CC/Aerial Ace/Wild Charge Arcanine sooner or later...)
Ah damn forgot about terrain and flying types. Like I said, Swoobat isn’t the most consistent mon and will probably end up in lower tiers. However, it’s definitely useable right now with and abuses Dynamaxing pretty well!
For Darmanitan, has anyone thought of anything that can help handle it? It seems like it's the star of the show in sword and shield.
I have been using Centiskorch as a Counter for its Flare Blitz and random fighting moves. Everything else is mostly countered by Ferro.
Not sure if it counts as a wall, but Rotom-H resists Fire/Ice/Electric
it is worth noting that darm can run both eq and stone edge, although the latter is rarely seen. but i'm pretty sure CBCBdarm OHKOs not very defensively invested sets.
AV goodra eats up special moves like a champ
So choice band does not work with gorilla tactics? Does that mean choice scarf doesn't as well? Maybe I'm just tired but that linked post doesn't make it super clear if that's what it means. If so that makes g-darm a lot more manageable
Assault Vest Cursola with Giga Drain/SDef Utility Corsola with Strength Sap. Goodra, Still. AV Dracozolt/-vish.
Other than Gorilla Tactics, we've known about the Choice items not working during Dynamax since I want to say Sunday at the earliest. Good to have closure on it, but other than Darm that was fixed very early in the beta testing.
Sure, but it doesn't get double speed under Electric Terrain. It does most of what A-Raichu does, but Raichu provides a bit more speed and a bit more coverage for considerably less bulk. I think there are some niches that Raichu can cover that Rotom-W can't.
I don't see a good reason to not run a bulky attack Centiskorch - it's speed is too low to abuse, and unlike Frosmoth, it doesn't get a speed boosting setup move. The only speed it should have invested is just enough to outspeed specific mons assuming it even needs that, with the rest in HP to bolster its reasonably respectable bulk. (Even if its a bit lower on the physical side).
Is this a mistype? Anubis' post mentions nothing about the interaction between Gorilla Tactics and Choice items.
A previous post of his mentioned it
Ah ok, so it's referring to the general interactions of GT under the condition of Dynamax. That makes more sense.
Yeah the minute Centi becomes too common a counter , you just know that's gonna happen. Personally I feel that Flare Blitz just puts G-Darm over the edge.
