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The Everything NFL Thread - 2009

Pokey said:
And Lawrence Tynes didn't last night? The amount of Manning Bros. fanboys on this site is staggering.
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Tynes did win the game, but just like what Brady did for Vinny, Eli did for Tynes, they put their teams in position to win the games, but the kickers iced it. Maybe if you read carefully enough you would've understood that I basically said that.

In other news:
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With NYG Steve Smith on the bench who provided another 24 points, shame I probably won't be breaking 200.
 
Like last year, no one thought that the Steelers were going to the SuperBowl by the time 1/8 of the games were finished.
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The moment Brady went down I said to myself "Fuck, the Steelers are going to win the Super Bowl" and I didn't watch the rest of the season. With the Squeelers pansy ass schedule and Brady struggling, I may as well not watch this season either. Steelers ruin everything.
 
You sir Pokey, must be a professional troll.

Way to ruin the fucking thread asshole.

Can we ignore this guy and continue on without pointless arguments?

Oh btw what about Jay Cutler makes him an upper echelon QB?
Wins? 18-21 Record
Stats? 2nd in INTs last year.
Clutch? Has never reached a playoff game.
Leadership? Lead the broncos from a 6-2 record and a stranglehold over their division to an 8-8 record, watching the playoffs at home

Just saying dude
 
You sir Pokey, must be a professional troll.

Way to ruin the fucking thread asshole.

Can we ignore this guy and continue on without pointless arguments?
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I'm staying on topic by discussing the National Football League. Just because you disagree with me does not mean I'm trolling.

Oh btw what about Jay Cutler makes him an upper echelon QB?
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Because he is very good at playing American football.

Wins? 18-21 Record
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Measuring a quarterback by the win-loss record is laughable. The best record the Saints have had under Drew Brees is 10-6.

Stats? 2nd in INTs last year.
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Drew Brees threw just one less interception than Cutler.

Clutch? Has never reached a playoff game
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He's only played two full seasons so far. Maybe if the Broncos defense didn't suck so much that wouldn't be the case.

Leadership? Lead the broncos from a 6-2 record and a stranglehold over their division to an 8-8 record, watching the playoffs at home
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Yeah, let's ignore the fact that the Broncos defense were ranked near rock bottom last season.
 
Pokey said:
I'm staying on topic by discussing the National Football League. Just because you disagree with me does not mean I'm trolling.

Because he is very good at playing American football.

Too bad being able to throw a ball well isn't the only thing that matters

Measuring a quarterback by the win-loss record is laughable. The best record the Saints have had under Drew Brees is 10-6.

Better than what Cutler has ever done. He made the NFC Championship that year. Wins dont factor into the equation? If your QB isn't winning then what is he doing? Oh thats right - LOSING

Drew Brees threw just one less interception than Cutler.

And more TDs than Cutler. More Yards too. Thanks for proving Drew Brees is a better QB but we knew that

He's only played two full seasons so far. Maybe if the Broncos defense didn't suck so much that wouldn't be the case.

And Brees has played... 3 seasons with the Saints? Yet he got the lowly Saints into the playoffs his first year with the team with a hell of a lot less talent that Cutler had while in Denver

Yeah, let's ignore the fact that the Broncos defense were ranked near rock bottom last season.

Lets also ignore that Peyton Manning has played with subpar defenses. And Matt Ryan. Kurt Warner. Dan Marino. I could go on and on about better QBs who have won with shitty defenses.
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And dont tell me the Broncos couldnt have one at least 1 extra game last year. I mean losing to the Raiders when the win wouldve have made Denver clinch the division? Really?
 
Giants only won thanks to a series of fluke bounces that all went their way, even despite the turnovers and Dallas' terrible defense. :/

cerowang I hate you
 
Too bad being able to throw a ball well isn't the only thing that matters
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It certainly helps.

Better than what Cutler has ever done. He made the NFC Championship that year. Wins dont factor into the equation? If your QB isn't winning then what is he doing? Oh thats right - LOSING
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Except losing is not always the quarterbacks fault. This isn't baseball. What have the Saints done since besides go 8-8 every year?

And more TDs than Cutler. More Yards too. Thanks for proving Drew Brees is a better QB but we knew that
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Brees led the league in attempts.

And Brees has played... 3 seasons with the Saints? Yet he got the lowly Saints into the playoffs his first year with the team with a hell of a lot less talent that Cutler had while in Denver
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Brees is currently in his ninth year in the National Football League.

Lets also ignore that Peyton Manning has played with subpar defenses. And Matt Ryan. Kurt Warner. Dan Marino. I could go on and on about better QBs who have won with shitty defenses.
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1. Peyton won his Super Bowl because the defense finally woke up with Sanders actually playing a full season and that the run game dominated. In the postseason, the Colts won the Super Bowl DESPITE Manning.

2. Matt Ryan is only in his second year.

3. Warner had the Greatest Show on Turf, lol. As if he really needed a defense.

4. Dan Marino is the most overrated quarterback of all time. Marino played 17 seasons in the NFL. Twice, he had the luxury of playing with the league’s No. 1 scoring defense: his rookie year of 1983 (15.6 points per game), and again in 1998 (16.6 points per game). That’s a pretty enviable ratio in a league that had 28 and then 30 teams in Marino’s playing days. In Marino’s record-setting 1984 season, the Dolphins had the No. 1 scoring offense in football and the No. 6 scoring defense (18.6 points per game). The 1990 Dolphins, meanwhile, boasted the league’s No. 4 scoring defense, surrendering just 15.1 points per game. There’s no doubt Marino played with some poor defenses in his day, but that’s the price of playing in the league 17 years. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts show that he also played with several defenses more than strong enough to win Super Bowls.
 
Colts win, cool. 13/16 on predictions is neato.

Also, Cutler isn't bad, just a bit unpolished I think. If given the time, I think he can turn into a solid QB.
 
I wish Pokey wasn't banned yet, so I could tell him that taking parts of people's posts out of context and omitting other parts simply to have an excuse to throw insults at them is trolling...

But anyway, back on topic: zerowing what are the scoring settings in your league? I have Frank Gore and Colston as well but they scored way more points in your league than in mine. I had a nice week too however at 140 pts, coming off 130 last week. Beginner's Luck I suppose!

EDIT: I'm having a dilemma trying to decide which RB to start this week. Frank Gore vs Minnesota, Thomas Jones vs Tennessee, or Mike Bell vs Buffalo. Currently leaning toward Mike Bell. Any insight?

SECOND EDIT: The recent series of arguments in the thread remind me of this
 
Finished with 184 fantas points, having Ronnie Brown, Chris Johnson, Andre Johnson and Phillip Rivers score 20 + (CJ got 55 points!!!) was awesome. Fun fact: I still would have won my fantasy game even if only Chris and Andre Johnson ended up playing lol.
 
WaterBomb said:
I wish Pokey wasn't banned yet, so I could tell him that taking parts of people's posts out of context and omitting other parts simply to have an excuse to throw insults at them is trolling...

But anyway, back on topic: zerowing what are the scoring settings in your league? I have Frank Gore and Colston as well but they scored way more points in your league than in mine. I had a nice week too however at 140 pts, coming off 130 last week. Beginner's Luck I suppose!

EDIT: I'm having a dilemma trying to decide which RB to start this week. Frank Gore vs Minnesota, Thomas Jones vs Tennessee, or Mike Bell vs Buffalo. Currently leaning toward Mike Bell. Any insight?

SECOND EDIT: The recent series of arguments in the thread remind me of this
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Standard PPR scoring

10 yards rushing/receiving = 1 point
rushing/receiving touchdown = 6 points
reception = .5 point

Mike Bell left the game with an injury last week, the Titans have a good run defense right now, and regardless Frank Gore is a must start in all leagues right now, he is the focal point of that offense.
 
Oh that's where the extra points came from: Receptions. My league doesn't give points for the individual receptions, just yards.

So basically you're saying I should start Gore, even though he's up against one of the top 3 run defenses in the league? I'm a bit skeptical. If Bell's injury isn't serious I'll probably start him anyway
 
I'm not much of a fantasy guy, but remember Gore only got what, 21 yards or something on how many carries against the Cardinals? Seahawks are weak by comparison I think on defense, hence why Gore lit into them pretty much.
 
Shinryu said:
I'm not much of a fantasy guy, but remember Gore only got what, 21 yards or something on how many carries against the Cardinals? Seahawks are weak by comparison I think on defense, hence why Gore lit into them pretty much.
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That logic is flawed, Seattle shutdown Steven Jackson, an arguably better RB, the week before.
 
The thing is Gore still scored touchdowns, which are fantasy gold, Gore is the focal point of that offense, he will get his chances all day to score TDs and run. Mike Bell hasn't even practiced this week, and that team has about 3 RBs that want the ball at this point. And while Thomas Jones is a fine player, I see Mark Sanchez taking advantage of the Titans poor secondary, leaving Gore the only viable option imo. Yes, he plays a very solid defense, but Gore produces through the air as well, and remains the best option for your team this week.
 
Yeah, I'm just really worried about Minnesota's rush defense. Gore tends not to catch as many passes as Jones does, and as far as I know he doesn't do kick returns either. I dunno, I think they'll probably end up performing about the same. I can let Sproles and Brees carry my team.
 
I'm not sure where you get your stats but Gore catches more passes than Jones. Since Gore became relevant he has not caught below 43, while Jones has caught above 40 once. Not to mention this year Gore has 8 to Jones' 1.
 
Ack I was thinking of someone else. I actually have another option in Reggie Bush, but he hasn't really been performing for me this year...
 
I think you're overestimating the Vikings run defense, Waterbomb. They're only ranked 15th against the run this year, and they have looked a lot weaker than in years past. Kevin Smith almost got 100 yards against them, and he is less talented than Gore and plays for the Lions. I suspect that Gore will gain well over 100 yards and score a few touchdowns, but I could be wrong.
 
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