The Everything NFL Thread - 2009

[Toddiswin]

Any team that has the ball for 45 minutes and loses is terrible. The Dolphins are garbage. you can't deny that.

Cardinals are okay. but the definitely didn't look okay last night. Making them terrible.

David Garrard? LAWL L2QB. MJD is good...but that's about it. Jacksonville. Terrible. If they were good they'd sell out home games.

Texans have a good offense...when Schaub feels like playing.

and you only hate the Patriots because they beat every team you like. That's the only reason people hate the Patriots.

Just because the Rams are 0-3 doesn't mean they're bad.

 

[WaterBomb]

Any team that has the ball for 45 minutes and loses is terrible. The Dolphins are garbage. you can't deny that.

The fact that the Dolphins controlled the ball for 45 minutes in the first place means they are doing SOMETHING right. A team can be good in most areas but be lacking in a single key area that happens to be costing them football games.

Cardinals are okay. but the definitely didn't look okay last night. Making them terrible.

What? So you're saying when a team has one bad performance they become a terrible team?

David Garrard? LAWL L2QB. MJD is good...but that's about it. Jacksonville. Terrible. If they were good they'd sell out home games.

Ticket sales have jack shit to do with a team's skill. The Redskins sell out their home games =P

Texans have a good offense...when Schaub feels like playing.

All QBs have good and bad games. Drew Brees threw for less than 200 yards this week

and you only hate the Patriots because they beat every team you like. That's the only reason people hate the Patriots.

No, I hate the Patriots because their fans are obnoxious and snobby and their coach is a cheating unsportmanlike douchemissile. I don't like when they beat my team, but that doesn't make me hate them.

Just because the Rams are 0-3 doesn't mean they're bad.

Your sarcasm would work better here if you had shown a little more intelligence in the rest of your post. Since you're new, I would suggest that you not start your career with flaming and trolling. That's a surefire way to get a nice slash through your name.

 

[theamericandream38]

The person who said that Tim Tebow should have a big impact on the NFL gave me a good chuckle ^___^

 

[HeroMasaki]

The person who said that Tim Tebow should have a big impact on the NFL gave me a good chuckle ^___^

Hey I said hopefully not should o:

Any team that has the ball for 45 minutes and loses is terrible. The Dolphins are garbage. you can't deny that.

Any team that has the ball for less than 15 minutes, scores 27 and wins is amazing. You can't deny that.

David Garrard? LAWL L2QB. MJD is good...but that's about it. Jacksonville. Terrible. If they were good they'd sell out home games.

.... LOL. Dude the Lions sold out their home games for most of the decade. As did the Raiders. I don't think they've been that good the past 10 years.

 

[DM]

I wouldn't take that jerkoff too seriously, he looks like the second coming of Pokey.

And while I'm at it: fuck Alex Van Pelt for calling a pass play on 3rd and 2 after Fred Jackson was tearing it up, and fuck Roscoe Parrish for fumbling that punt return and giving all the momentum to the Saints at the end of the first half, fuck Eric Wood for about 5 drive-ending penalties, and just fuck Trent "Captain Checkdown" Edwards in general.

 

[WaterBomb]

I wouldn't take that jerkoff too seriously, he looks like the second coming of Pokey.

And while I'm at it: fuck Alex Van Pelt for calling a pass play on 3rd and 2 after Fred Jackson was tearing it up, and fuck Roscoe Parrish for fumbling that punt return and giving all the momentum to the Saints at the end of the first half, fuck Eric Wood for about 5 drive-ending penalties, and just fuck Trent "Captain Checkdown" Edwards in general.

That's alot of fucking DM. Did you take Viagra this morning?

 

[makiri]

The Saints play the Jets next week...but I don't see how there can be a comparison between the Manning brothers. Eli I would say is a slightly above average QB, comparable to, say...Chad Pennington or Kurt Warner. He's surrounded by an extremely talented team (especially the O-line and RBs) so he doesn't have to throw much. His older brother, however, has been operating without a significant running game since Edgerrin James was in his prime. I don't think Eli would be nearly as good as he has been if he were asked to throw 50+ times a game and pretty much carry his team's offense as Peyton has.

I think you are forgetting that just last week Eli had to throw 38 times because the run game didn't get going. Eli really seems like hes establishing himself as an elite QB this year, yeah he doesn't have to throw 50 times a game, but he is one of the most calm quaterbacks in the pocket regardless of the situation. I'm beginning to think Plaxico being a dumb ass was good for Eli. Plaxico became a crutch for Eli when he needed to be bailed out, but now he is spreading the ball, making the right decisions and he just wins. As a Giants fan I know the game isn't over with Eli at QB, I can't count the number of comeback victories Eli has led. It's only been 3 games, but I think this year Eli solidifies his spot as one of the top QBs in the league.

 

[Revengeful]

I think you are forgetting that just last week Eli had to throw 38 times because the run game didn't get going. Eli really seems like hes establishing himself as an elite QB this year, yeah he doesn't have to throw 50 times a game, but he is one of the most calm quaterbacks in the pocket regardless of the situation. I'm beginning to think Plaxico being a dumb ass was good for Eli. Plaxico became a crutch for Eli when he needed to be bailed out, but now he is spreading the ball, making the right decisions and he just wins. As a Giants fan I know the game isn't over with Eli at QB, I can't count the number of comeback victories Eli has led. It's only been 3 games, but I think this year Eli solidifies his spot as one of the top QBs in the league.

Agreed. Without Plaxico, the Giants have no big name recievers, although Super Mario Manningham and Steve Smith are really stepping up big time. Boss is also looking like a damn good TE, he had some good blocks in the Tampa Bay game.

Even as a die hard Giants fan, our 3-0 hardly means anything when we played the struggling Redskins, the average Cowboys, and the god-awfuly Bucs. I'm looking forward to the Saints/Giants game, but I'm worried Brees is gonna have a field day on our banged up secondary.

 

[HeroMasaki]

I think you are forgetting that just last week Eli had to throw 38 times because the run game didn't get going. Eli really seems like hes establishing himself as an elite QB this year, yeah he doesn't have to throw 50 times a game, but he is one of the most calm quaterbacks in the pocket regardless of the situation. I'm beginning to think Plaxico being a dumb ass was good for Eli. Plaxico became a crutch for Eli when he needed to be bailed out, but now he is spreading the ball, making the right decisions and he just wins. As a Giants fan I know the game isn't over with Eli at QB, I can't count the number of comeback victories Eli has led. It's only been 3 games, but I think this year Eli solidifies his spot as one of the top QBs in the league.

Well I have to say, this is the most convincing argument I've heard in Eli Manning's favor in long time. Well said.

Also something I just realized from Sunday.

The Saints got a Road Win by Running the Ball and Playing Defense. Those are the things they lacked last year when the went 8-8... this is a complete team!

 

[YTP]

I wouldn't call doing it one time a complete team. They need to prove they can do it time and time again.

 

[Revengeful]

Not sure if this is old, but Pennington is out for the year. Torn shoulder.

I just realized that Jets and Giants allowed the least amount of points scored against them in games in their respective conferences. As likely as it may happen, I'd love to see this season may end up with a NY/NY SuperBowl.

Edit: Scratch that. Broncos only allowed 16 points in 3 games? Holy shit.

 

[WaterBomb]

Look at who the Broncos played though. Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Oakland are not exactly known to be offensive powerhouses. Denver's defense might be better than last year, but I'd like to see it against a stronger offense before I make up my mind.

 

[Revengeful]

But still, 16 points over 3 games is 5.3 points allowed per game. Not even a touchdown on average. No matter who you play, that's a pretty damn good statistic thus far.

 

[HeroMasaki]

Look at who the Broncos played though. Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Oakland are not exactly known to be offensive powerhouses. Denver's defense might be better than last year, but I'd like to see it against a stronger offense before I make up my mind.

Cincinnati has put up consecutive 30+ points games including against last years number 1 defense.

I think a Pro Bowl QB + Pro Bowl WR + The NFL's 3rd leading rusher = Offensive Powerhouse.

Not saying Denver's defense is for though, Cleveland and Oakland do have the NFL's worst offenses.

I would enjoy seeing Mark Sanchez beat Eli in a Superbowl. It would be the perfect start to this already historic career.

 

[TaiCrunch]

Holy shit, being a Carolina fan is really disappointing this season. Is Jake Delhomme constantly smoking pot or something?

 

[Mr.E]

Don't forget fuck screwing TO over too, DM. Part of me is just sore that TO + Ginn combined for exactly zero fantasy points to cause me a loss that Huy was just begging to let me win.

And yeah, Dolphins are smoked now. While we're at it, we should've known Carolina was gonna suck because of the NFC South Curse anyway. Even if it was half-broken.

The Saints got a Road Win by Running the Ball and Playing Defense. Those are the things they lacked last year when the went 8-8... this is a complete team!

Get this: The Saints have more rushing attempts through these first three games than they do passing attempts, "Statpadder" be damned. They're also #2 in total rushing behind the one, the only, America's Team.

 

[Justin8649]

Holy shit, being a Carolina fan is really disappointing this season. Is Jake Delhomme constantly smoking pot or something?

:(

Our awesome 2010 first round pick can't even make the active roster (Everette Brown sucks. what a waste of a pick (ugh we are going to suck for like 5 years))

 

[WaterBomb]

Cincinnati has put up consecutive 30+ points games including against last years number 1 defense.

I think a Pro Bowl QB + Pro Bowl WR + The NFL's 3rd leading rusher = Offensive Powerhouse.

Cincinnati only put up 30+ points against Green Bay. Their offense only scored 17 against Pittsburgh (6 were defensive). Their Pro Bowl QB threw for 178 yards, their Pro Bowl WR caught for 54 yards, and the NFL's 3rd leading rusher rushed for 76 yards. Out of the 3 games they've played so far, they've only put up "powerhouse" numbers in 1.

I don't really want to argue with you because you're actually a reasonable guy, I just needed to correct that first statement and politely disagree with the second :)

 

[Toddiswin]

The fact that the Dolphins controlled the ball for 45 minutes in the first place means they are doing SOMETHING right. A team can be good in most areas but be lacking in a single key area that happens to be costing them football games.
They didn't do the right thing right...which is win. The fact that you think a team can control the ball for 45 minutes and lose and still be good(0-3) shows you know nothing of football.


What? So you're saying when a team has one bad performance they become a terrible team?
The Cardinals are not a good team. Warner to Fitzgerald and Boldin is the only good thing on that team. Their rushing game and defense are pathetic. They will not be back in the Super Bowl. Maybe not even the playoffs.


Ticket sales have jack shit to do with a team's skill. The Redskins sell out their home games =P
Exactly. The Redskins have faith that their team can win games. Jacksonville just knows their team will lose so they don't bother wasting money on their sorry "team"


All QBs have good and bad games. Drew Brees threw for less than 200 yards this week
Drew Brees didn't have a bad game. No interceptions. a win. and his team ran the ball when it was very windy.
My point is, the Texans will never be a threat in their divison. Look at those huge plays they give up.



No, I hate the Patriots because their fans are obnoxious and snobby and their coach is a cheating unsportmanlike douchemissile. I don't like when they beat my team, but that doesn't make me hate them.
You've obviously never been to Indianapolis. our fans think our team is the shit and we have one Superbowl since they've been in Indianapolis. Back when the Colts went 3-13 people around here were basketball fans(that's when the Pacers won games) No one here actually likes football. They go shopping during the games when they're on tv and just see the score and think the Colts are the best team ever. Bill Belichick is the best coach in the league.


Your sarcasm would work better here if you had shown a little more intelligence in the rest of your post. Since you're new, I would suggest that you not start your career with flaming and trolling. That's a surefire way to get a nice slash through your name.
Your entire post would be better if it had shown any intelligence.

I'm not flaming or trolling. just stating facts. if that hurts your feelings over the Interweb, you need to grow up and probably not post on forums.

 

[WaterBomb]

Your entire post would be better if it had shown any intelligence

You know, I had almost written an entire post responding to you when I realized that it wouldn't do any good as you've already decided you're going to disagree with whatever I say, regardless of the evidence I use to support it or my knowledge of football. Saying that I know nothing about football is just a cheap taunt, because you know damn well that's incorrect. Anyone who makes a post full of their opinions and then defends themselves by saying "I'm not trolling I'm just stating facts" is an idiot. Humility is a wonderful trait my friend, I suggest you learn some instead of wasting your time trying to get under my e-skin.

 

[Dubulous]

Just because the Rams are 0-3 doesn't mean they're bad.

Come on, man. This isn't fair and you know it. The Rams are clearly one of the most inept teams in the league this year, while the Titans have been competitive in all of their games. On the flip side of things, the Broncos are 3-0, would you consider them one of the best teams in the league? According to your posts thus far, you would.

It seems that you put a lot of stock in a team's record when evaluating a teams talent (see: Dolphins are terrible, Titans are terrible), unless, of course, you happen to strongly dislike the team in question (see:

The colts have also played 3 terrible teams...The Colts always have a very easy schedule.

)

If I were you I would think about insulting other people in your responses, as it tends to show a lack of intelligence and maturity.

 

[Ancien Régime]

:(

Our awesome 2010 first round pick can't even make the active roster (Everette Brown sucks. what a waste of a pick (ugh we are going to suck for like 5 years))

Panthers are going to be FINE.

They've played 3 Super Bowl caliber teams, one of which is dominating teams without their starting Pro Bowl HOF-caliber QB and starting All-Pro RB.

Yeah, it sucks to lose all three of those games, but you have a 50:50 chance at best of beating them. And you got the short end of the stick.

You will almost certainly be 4-3 by the Saints game. If you take one of two of the Falcons and Saints, you'll be 5-4. You'll beat Miami to go 6-4. Jets are a tossup but I'll assume Sanchez hits the rookie wall and you go 7-4. Bucs are a lock, so 8-4. Now you get a murderous 4-game stretch, but 3 of those are at home, and the Pats *do* look a bit shaky right now. However, it's not inconceivable you can beat 2 of those teams.

That puts you at 10-6, maybe not good enough to get in in a STACKED NFC, but good enough not to say "you'll suck for 5 years". To me, your worst case is 6-10 (lose against ATL and NO back to back, not beat the Jets, and lose 3/4 of the last 4 games, maybe), where you can get a top 15 pick and get your QB of the future, and be set for a decade.

 

[WaterBomb]

Panthers are going to be FINE.

They've played 3 Super Bowl caliber teams, one of which is dominating teams without their starting Pro Bowl HOF-caliber QB and starting All-Pro RB.

Yeah, it sucks to lose all three of those games, but you have a 50:50 chance at best of beating them. And you got the short end of the stick.

Regardless of how tough their opponents have been so far, Jake Delhomme needs to stop turning the ball over. This Carolina team has alot of talent but it will never get back to the playoffs until it can solve this problem. I'm not sure what it's gonna take though, short of benching Delhomme...


In other news, Tomlin is thinking of benching Sweed after he dropped that TD pass Sunday. I feel for the guy, but god damn it he needs to STOP DROPPING FUCKING PASSES, especially when he's wide open in the end zone and the QB puts the ball right on his hands...

 

[Meow]

Actually, the Steelers haven't played badly at all. Their offense is doing well (the O-line was MUCH better this week), their defense is keeping the opposing offenses to moderate stats at best, and they've acquired a nice weapon on special teams in Stefan Logan. They're a 1-2 team that could just as easily be 3-0. If they can fix their problem of protecting leads, they will still finish the season with a top record in the AFC. I'm not worried yet, it's still way too early in the season to tell.

Also, the Ravens offense is better yes, but you can't really say Joe Flacco is an MVP when his first three opponents were the Chefs, Chargers, and Browns. The only one of those three that is any good is the chargers, and they still have a god awful pass defense that allowed Flacco to excel. Don't get me wrong, I have alot of respect for the guy and what he is doing. I just want to see this new and improved Ravens offense put to a better test than it has seen these first weeks.

With that said, i have one thing to say, :"Great minds think alike."

 

[HeroMasaki]

Cincinnati only put up 30+ points against Green Bay. Their offense only scored 17 against Pittsburgh (6 were defensive). Their Pro Bowl QB threw for 178 yards, their Pro Bowl WR caught for 54 yards, and the NFL's 3rd leading rusher rushed for 76 yards. Out of the 3 games they've played so far, they've only put up "powerhouse" numbers in 1.

I don't really want to argue with you because you're actually a reasonable guy, I just needed to correct that first statement and politely disagree with the second :)

Ah, thanks for the correction. For some reason I thought they scored 33 points. Still its an improvement from last year.

And as a Carolina fan, I have to say, I did temper my expectations coming into the season. I followed this team throughout the summer, things just did not go right during the offseason. Starting with the Peppers issue, all the way to training camp, I just felt that things were not lining up in the Panther's favor. The draft gave me a bit of hope, I thought they got some good players. Then Kemoeatu went down for the year. Then they lost every preseason game, often by blowouts. The injuries kept piling up. I tried to dismiss it going into the season, hoping the running game would carry us, and Jake would stay out of the Panther's way. Then the Eagles game happened. Then the defense wastes Delhomme's effort against Atlanta. Then STEVE SMITH OF ALL PEOPLE wastes the Defense's effort against Dallas. (despite giving up 200 rushing yards, they did hold the team to 13 points.... or should I say, the cowboys held themselves to 13 points). I would've have been fine with 1-2 going into the bye. The Panthers can recover from a 1-2 start. They can't recover from a 0-3 start. Dallas gave Carolina opportunity after opportunity to win that game. And they did not capitalize.

Here is what I've gathered from the Panther's so far:

1) The defense has been seized by injuries. They miss Kemoeatu ALOT. They need Chris Harris in the line up. They need to find a new Free Safety, the only thing worse than Charles Godfrey's coverage is his tackling. They need a new Strongside Linebacker, Nai'l Diggs is way over the hill and James Anderson isn't much better.

2) Delhomme has "recovered" per say from the Arizona and Philadelphia games, but he has lost his arm strength.. something he'll never recover. He can no longer throw the deep ball and he can no longer fit the ball in tight windows. Think Chad Pennington just with a little, and I mean little, bit more arm strength and a lot less accurate. It will be time to move on soon. And Matt Moore is not the future.

3)Holy Shit Jeff Davidson NEEDS TO GO. If the game is tied after the Panther's first drive, he completely abandons the run. He calls plays as if he had Drew Brees at QB. WHY IS DELHOMME THROWING 30 TIMES WHEN ITS A 6 POINT GAME!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? To make matters worse, its well known that the Panthers have lost most of their games when Delhomme passes more than 30 times.

This Bye Week couldn't have come at a better time.

The good news is that their next 3 games are Washington, @Tampa Bay, Buffalo.

The bad news is that after Buffalo its (not in order) @Arizona, @New Orleans, Atlanta, @New England, @NY Jets, @NY Giants, Minnesota, New Orleans. With Miami and Tampa in between somewhere.

More bad news: The panthers are in the bottom half in every major statistical category except pass defense (a result of teams running down our throats all game)

Even more bad news: No first round pick next year.