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The Everything NFL Thread - 2013-2014 Edition

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I disagree. Having personally watched the Bills play the Chiefs and their vaunted defense with Jeff Fucking Tuel at starting quarterback, I can safely say that they are ridiculously overrated and have benefited a ton from a very easy, last-place schedule. They got to 9-0 largely by feasting on shitty teams that played without their starting quarterbacks, and their most "impressive" win was over the currently .500 Dallas Cowboys. In the next 7 games, they play 4 games against the Broncos and Chargers. We're about to find out how real they are. (Hint: they're not.)
 
Uh yeah I ranted plenty about how overrated the Chiefs were, thanks for educating me :_ when you are +7-8 and 9-0, then you are the playing the role of the most underrated team / insulted team of all time. It might be confirmation bias style confirmed this weekend, but it does not mean shit, any team can win and lose a football game. This is the most insulting line a team has ever been handed in the last 25 years of the NFL (as far back as I can search).

Teams with opponents this bad have never been disrespected this much even at 4-0, I think you are ignoring everything I said, I do not really see why you would. It is not about who you think will actually win or even if the Broncos do win by two touchdowns. No team has ever been disrespected close to this badly over 5-0, and no team has ever been disrespected this badly at 4-0 to 6-0 without an opponent who actually made the Super Bowl the last year. SOS or how good the Chiefs really are is irrelevant, this is still diss history.

(as one could intuitively guess) There is not a big enough sample size to explore any trend about this (expanding to include 3-0 teams and up as underdogs only gleans 31 games in 25 years, for a record of 14-14-3), so I am not going to try to declare there is some definitive trend of the gambling houses getting things right or wrong. If there were at least 150 such games, we could get a pretty definitive feel for whether teams "dissed" like this are accurately analyzed or not.

Maybe the funniest diss line looking this up (covered but lost the actual game, whatever that does for you) was that one of the few highest lines belonged to Colts in 2007 against Patriots +4.5 at home. Sure you guys just won the Super Bowl (granted, while playing like utter shit), but Brady>Manning trolololol.
 
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I disagree. Having personally watched the Bills play the Chiefs and their vaunted defense with Jeff Fucking Tuel at starting quarterback, I can safely say that they are ridiculously overrated and have benefited a ton from a very easy, last-place schedule. They got to 9-0 largely by feasting on shitty teams that played without their starting quarterbacks, and their most "impressive" win was over the currently .500 Dallas Cowboys. In the next 7 games, they play 4 games against the Broncos and Chargers. We're about to find out how real they are. (Hint: they're not.)
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"Football Outsiders notes that the Chiefs have played the easiest schedule in football, with their average opponent at a DVOA of -17.7 percent, which is roughly like playing the Giants every week.

Do you know who is in second place by that measure? The Broncos! Per Football Outsiders, Denver's average opponent has posted a DVOA of -15.2 percent, which is just behind Kansas City."

the broncos most impressive win so far this season? the currently .500 cowboys.

talk about an oversight on your end
 
Football outsiders suck.

It doesn't matter who the opponent is when youre dropping 40 a game, breaking records every week. It matters when you are barely scraping by those same crappy opponents with a magical TO diff.
 
The Chiefs are really gonna be playing some inspired football tonight. I've seen some nice bulletin board material through the media and Internet, and no doubt the Chiefs will use it as motivation. They've been completely disrespected as a 9-0 team.
 
Not likely. But after much thought the Chefs need to beat denver once. Peyton getting benched in the last game would be criminal. So at this point denver needs a couple losses to force peyton to play all games.
 
I don't think you can call any result in the Chiefs/Broncos game an upset considering the only over-.500 team either team has played was the game the Broncos lost to the Colts. They both beat the 5-5 Cowboys and won all their games against sub .500 teams. I kind of have a feeling neither team is as real as they claim to be (then again I wouldn't trust any team in the AFC right now).
 
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oh my god matt ryan please cease your sucking and actually play like the elite quarterback you have proven yourself to be over the past two seasons.

Also, if Matt Stafford doesn't make the Pro Bowl this is fucking rigged. Pro Bowl QBs should be P. Manning, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, Stafford, and Nick Foles. If Matt Ryan (who, outside of today, has been supremely underrated) bounces back the next couple weeks he should be in the conversation. But Nick Foles won't get it because Andrew Luck was the #1 pick that year and replaced Peyton Manning and "just wins games!" or whatever hogwash analysts make up to paint Andrew Luck as the top-five super elite amazing quarterback that he isn't. Also, enough assholes will vote for Tom Brady because of his 2001 season.

Also, Ray Lewis needs to say that the delay in the Ravens-Bears game was a conspiracy set up by the NFL just like the Super Bowl blackout was! Goodell hates the Ravens!

Also, just for fun, NFC North QB Power Rankings:
1. Rodgers
2. Stafford
3. McCown
4. Ponder
5. Culter
6. Cassel
7. Tolzien
8. Freeman

Bears, please sign Cutler to nine figures! Please sign your worse version of Joe Flacco to a Joe Flacco contract and be a worse version of the 2013 Ravens for the next half-decade! As a Lions fan, I will make a Kickstarter for the bears to sign their bad quarterback to a top-five QB deal!
 
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hard for Ryan to be an elite quarterback when every throw is off his back foot!

they don't do NFC/AFC pro bowl QBs anymore I think, so the top 6 QBs will probably make it. this year, they've been Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers obviously... after that ??? Stafford, Romo, and Wilson certainly have a case (Foles too, but he's hurt by not playing the entire year) for the last two spots, probably more than Ryan. since it's "draft" mode, expect the bias towards big-named QBs and playoff QBs to be even bigger... wouldn't be a stretch if Stafford didn't make it.
 
And the Texans losing streak continues at the hands of McGloin and the Raiders D!
Hooray, another QB controversy incoming...
 
ugh we were up 20-17 and if Frank Gore makes that catch on 2nd and 9 he's basically free for a TD or at least makes our situation much more manageable...
 
Killah said:
hard for Ryan to be an elite quarterback when every throw is off his back foot!

they don't do NFC/AFC pro bowl QBs anymore I think, so the top 6 QBs will probably make it. this year, they've been Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers obviously... after that ??? Stafford, Romo, and Wilson certainly have a case (Foles too, but he's hurt by not playing the entire year) for the last two spots, probably more than Ryan. since it's "draft" mode, expect the bias towards big-named QBs and playoff QBs to be even bigger... wouldn't be a stretch if Stafford didn't make it.
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Brady's probably going to make it because he's Brady, the Patriots are going to win the AFC LEast, and this second half of the season after the next two weeks is pitifully easy. I'd also say Wilson has a great shot to make it since the Seahawks are gunning for the #1 seed in the NFC, and Cam Newton if he beats the Patriots tomorrow puts himself into the conversation.
 
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ugh we were up 20-17 and if Frank Gore makes that catch on 2nd and 9 he's basically free for a TD or at least makes our situation much more manageable...
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That penalty for that hit on Brees was BS too >.>

Still it was a sloppy effort by the Niners, unless Kap starts going back to Week 1 form, it's only gonna be rougher just getting into the playoffs now, hell the Cardinals have the same record as we do ffs. I didn't like Smith at all, but at least he moved the ball and managed fairly well under Harbaugh...
 
Hehe like i said, the Chiefs had a better chance of beating the Broncos last year. And like i said i wasn't worried about Peyton getting hit this game. Houston/tamba blah blah blah. Their pass rush is league average but have managed to get a lot of sacks. The Panthers DL is the only in the league that just dominates ols and can really get after the qb. I've been praising that dl before the year started, but it was mostly based on potential. Their GM turned that team into the Giants South.

I hated this game(chiefs/broncos). The Broncos should have won by 20, Peyton should have had 3 TDs and 350+ yds. This is probably the worst case scenario. A win with Peyton putting up mediocre stats. Chiefs suck so bad Peyton might actually be benched in week 17 :(
 
I think how you feel about if Stafford should make the Pro Bowl depends on how much you feel is because of Calvin Johnson. If you replace him with an average WR, do the Lions have any offense left? See: Packers 22 Lions 9 or whatever for the argument :x

Alex Smith was soooooooooo bad yesterday. I hope it finally gets the media to stop howling about lololololoalexsmith>colinkaepernick.
 
CPrime What do you think about the Raiders QB situation? Before this game I thought that Pryor was our best option and had the chance of developing into a pretty good quarterback, but McGloin was spectacular. Albeit, it was just one game, but his intangibles are just amazing. He probably is a great leader in the locker room and has more of an underdog story than Tom Brady. Was a walk-on at Penn State, went through the Sandusky era, was undrafted out of college, then was brought in during training camp to be a camp arm. There's just something about McGloin that makes you want him to be your quarterback, so I'm pretty conflicted with this myself. In my opinion, we should start McGloin next week and go from there, but I don't know how that would affect Pryor's confidence.
 
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CPrime What do you think about the Raiders QB situation? Before this game I thought that Pryor was our best option and had the chance of developing into a pretty good quarterback, but McGloin was spectacular. Albeit, it was just one game, but his intangibles are just amazing. He probably is a great leader in the locker room and has more of an underdog story than Tom Brady. Was a walk-on at Penn State, went through the Sandusky era, was undrafted out of college, then was brought in during training camp to be a camp arm. There's just something about McGloin that makes you want him to be your quarterback, so I'm pretty conflicted with this myself. In my opinion, we should start McGloin next week and go from there, but I don't know how that would affect Pryor's confidence.
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QBs that can run are cool and all and they'll bring in the fans, but if you want to develop your team into a Super Bowl contender, McGloin is the way to go. He's more of a pocket passer and he showed a ton of promise in that Houston game, while I don't think Pryor will ever develop into a great thrower which just isn't how you win games in the NFL.
 
Being able to run isn't a problem(Newton, Rodgers, Luck). It's when you can only pass because you can run(Vick, Griffin, Pryor). The latter won't and can't last in the nfl.
 
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