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How is he 'to blame'? You are everything that is wrong with the NFL's conservative approach. He went for a HIGH PERCENTAGE play from a risky field goal distance that would fire the team up going into the playoffs if it works. Whether a FG or the 4th and down fails, either may deflate the team a little (a FG quite arbuably more, since the prevailing incorrect logic is that fourth down plays are risky and foolhardy), but they already clinched and will still probably finish #1.
 
I'm riding the Dolphins bandwagon now. It's great to see them doing so well now after losing Camarillo. I still have hope for them to win out. Go Dolphins!!!!

And Broncos will clinch next week.
 
CaptKirby said:
How is he 'to blame'? You are everything that is wrong with the NFL's conservative approach. He went for a HIGH PERCENTAGE play from a risky field goal distance that would fire the team up going into the playoffs if it works. Whether a FG or the 4th and down fails, either may deflate the team a little (a FG quite arbuably more, since the prevailing incorrect logic is that fourth down plays are risky and foolhardy), but they already clinched and will still probably finish #1.
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Okay, not really to blame, but he was an...enabler so to speak.

Anyway, is your offense is sputtering, and your kicker has already made one from a longer distance, it's kind of like a "well, Rob already made a longer one, he should've been given the chance at a shorter one."

Seeing as 4th downs are converted only 43.3 percent of the time, and Bironas has made 18/25 FG from 40-49 yards....I'd kick the FG. The FG was the higher percentage of converting, after all.

That's the way I see it.
 
It was not just any 4th down. It was a 4th and 2 or 4th and 3, I forget which. Using whichever statistic conveniently makes your case more convincing but is blatantly wrong is not a good way to back up your argument.
 
Who the fuck is Fischer? At any rate, if he says the headwind probably would've prevented Bironas from hitting it at that range, I believe him. He's not stupid and there is otherwise no reason not to kick the FG in that circumstance.

So how 'bout that NFL, anyway? The season finale is certainly more exciting than last year, when playoff slots were all but locked up at this point in time. Both home-field seeds are up for grabs next week as the Titans/Stoolers and Giants/Panthers play and the wild card spots are looking super-competitive at the moment.

EvilBob said:
The Steelers win was great too <3
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Refs strike again!

Steelers are the worst 11-3 team ever. I'm totally gonna be pissed if they manage to beat the Titans and secure HFA, too. -_----------- Their D is great but their offense is god-awful horrendous and the refs have been riding their jock all season. (Well, the refs in general are having their worst season ever.) They need to give Moore more playing time, he's the only guy that puts any spark into that offense.
 
I think their offense is significantly better than the 2000 Ravens (though their D is ever so slightly worse).

I wouldn't knock the Steelers at all.
 
Did anyone see my Chiefs lose, again?

They always piss me off if they do well in the beginning, because they're gonna suck it in the end. And then they blew that onside kick and then field goal. If bowe had held onto the ball, we would've won. But he pussed out. pussy.
 
Okay, I did some digging, and 4th and 2 is converted 57.1% via the rush, and 48.9% via the pass, still less than 72%. If it was up to me, I would've gone for the FG at least. Though, statistics are only that, numbers. Contradictory, I know.
Enough of that though.

Giants, lost again. Love the offense that they are bringing, what with no TDs and all. Sacked what, 8 times and only put up 8 points?

At least the defense didn't play shitty. 20 points against the Cowboys isn't that bad. Hopefully Jacobs can come back for Carolina to seal a first round bye. I mean, it didn't make a difference last year, but it's always a nice thing to know.

Possible drafts for the Lions?
Perhaps Sam Bradford?
If the Lions pick Crabtree, I will laugh my ass off.
"Let's get a WR, that's always worked out so well."
 
It's not like the referees don't also tend to make bad calls against the Steelers too. Also the only call that I still hear people complaining about from that game was the TD, which WAS the correct call.
 
Dolphins FTW!! One more win and they own the record for the biggest win improvement in NFL history. I was at the 49ers game, it was very exciting!
 
MrE your argument about the Refs favoring the Steelers sounds less like a fact based argument and more like a bitter fan whose team lost to them. Just as many calls went against the Steelers as did for them. How about the pass interference that wasn't called when the defender TACKLED Nate Washington? Or maybe Adam Terry's holding on James Harrison that caused him to miss a sack and allowed Flacco time to make a 20 something yard completion? People who use refereeing as a basis for an argument against a team's legitimacy are as bad as people who blame injuries for losses. A good team has depth and can overcome injury. A good team can win despite "controversial" calls by the referee. If the Steelers offense is so terrible, how did they engineer a 92 yard game winning drive? I'm not saying their offense is awesome or anything, but it's not anything as extreme as "god awful horrendous" as you put it
 
Steelers are best in the last 2 minutes of a game it seems.

Hey, if their defense can keep it within 6, expect Big Ben to get a game winning drive in the last 2 minutes.
 
WaterBomb said:
waterdumb is stupid and People who use refereeing as a basis for an argument against a team's legitimacy are as bad as people who blame injuries for losses. A good team has depth and can overcome injury. A good team can win despite "controversial" calls by the referee.
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I must entirely disagree with you. There aren't even enough good starting QBs out there for all 32 NFL teams. You can't expect every team out there to have a super-capable backup QB (e.g. Leftwich), or be lucky enough to have their unknown backup turn out to be so capable (e.g. Cassel). This can, of course, be expanded to any other position. How the hell can Tennessee possibly hope to replace Haynesworth while he's injured, or the Vikings likewise with Pat Williams? Top-level players are top-level players, period, and even the best of backups can't duplicate what the true superstars do for their teams. Sometimes they get lucky but there's no way you can say that, for example, Seattle's woes aren't in part due to the fact they had two roster's worth of WRs on the injury report for the first half of the season.

I seriously tire of people who act like bad calls don't mean anything. "Well they should've played better elsewhere to make up for it!" They shouldn't have HAD to make up for it. Yeah, the Chargers fucked up letting Denver get the TD and score the go-ahead conversion. They also should've never been in that circumstance, as they already HAD legitimately stopped them before Hochuli's major screw-up. blah blah blah

WaterBomb said:
Just as many calls went against the Steelers as did for them. How about the pass interference that wasn't called when the defender TACKLED Nate Washington? Or maybe Adam Terry's holding on James Harrison that caused him to miss a sack and allowed Flacco time to make a 20 something yard completion?
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Those aren't calls, those are non-calls. Unless you can dig up video evidence, how do I know this is true? What if I disagree? I didn't pay that much attention to the game (doesn't affect my 'boys, after all) and I certainly wasn't on the lookout checking for penalties that occured and went uncalled. What about uncalled penalties in favor of the Steelers? I'm guessing you Steelers-lovers weren't looking for those...

It's much easier to identify an incorrect call than a non-call that should have been. *shrug* It's not the first time I've heard Harrison was getting held a lot uncalled, though, but "they" also say you could call holding on every down. :/ Ware draws phantom offsides penalties all the time, too.
 
See, how can you expect to even make an argument when, like you said, you "weren't paying that close attention"? I'm not saying there weren't some dubious calls that favored the Steelers. Calls like that happen in every game every week. But to single out the Steelers and go on a tirade, saying they're the "worst 11-3 team ever" is just exaggerating to a great degree. Now that you've admitted to being a Cowboys fan, I see that my guess was true: You ARE a fan that is bitter because his team lost to the Steelers, and that is why you are so harshly critical of them. You're starting to sound like me a couple years ago when I bashed the Patriots all the time. If you want me to be honest, I think Dallas is the best team in the NFC (maybe the NFL), and if Romo can avoid making mistakes, they can and probably will win the Super Bowl, even if it's against the Steelers.

In any case stop acting like me.
 
To anyone who thinks the Steelers are the worst 11-3 team ever, look at that defense. It's one of the best of all-time. Their offense may be bad (because of their line being so terrible), but they have shown week in and week out that when it comes down to crunch time, they can get it done. Prediction: Steelers beat Titans next week.
 
Mr.E said:
Who the fuck is Fischer? At any rate, if he says the headwind probably would've prevented Bironas from hitting it at that range, I believe him. He's not stupid and there is otherwise no reason not to kick the FG in that circumstance.

So how 'bout that NFL, anyway? The season finale is certainly more exciting than last year, when playoff slots were all but locked up at this point in time. Both home-field seeds are up for grabs next week as the Titans/Stoolers and Giants/Panthers play and the wild card spots are looking super-competitive at the moment.



Refs strike again!

Steelers are the worst 11-3 team ever. I'm totally gonna be pissed if they manage to beat the Titans and secure HFA, too. -_----------- Their D is great but their offense is god-awful horrendous and the refs have been riding their jock all season. (Well, the refs in general are having their worst season ever.) They need to give Moore more playing time, he's the only guy that puts any spark into that offense.
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I'll put one thing on the table right a way: I am a Steelers fan...

That is a very bold statement saying, "Steelers are the worst 11-3 team ever." How can you be the "worst 11-3 team" with the best defense in the league? The Steelers are a great football team which has been lacking in offensive production. Our offense has been lacking for multiple reasons. The main being the lack of a decent offensive line. The other reason is that Ben has been hurting for most of the season (because of being hit so many times this year).

Also, could you please cite a few examples of how "the refs have been riding their jock all season"? The refs have missed multiple calls in every football game this year...they are having a horrible season. I will agree with that, but this happens to every team.

You may not agree with the refs calls, but could you stop bashing the Steelers? It is unnecessary and apparent that you are bitter about something...
 
this is mr. e

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The refs have made some bad calls against the Steelers, though. They took away Polamalu's touchdown against the Chargers. As for the offence, it's just their offensive line that sucks, the rest of the offense is good
 
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