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McLovinn

Hi y'all. I've been developing a team these past few days, along with my good friend, Dangerous. His battle compilation against myself is in my sig. Check it outs, its awesome :).

Anyway, it started off with Vaporeon over Starmie, but I soon realised I needed to do something about Azelf, while staying in touch with an Infernape counter. So in came Starmie.

Overview
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@Shuca Berry
Sassy (+SpDef, -Spd) - 252 Hp/124 Atk/128 SpDef/4 Spd - Heatproof

Earthquake
Gyro Ball
Stealth Rock
Hypnosis

Bottom Line

I'm debating whether to put Explosion over Earthquake, but Earthquake is useful. Gyro Ball would be a better choice, it hasn't helped me at all, up till now. But yeah, it gets down SR, and Hypnotises. Shucaproof is just an awesome combo. It can survive most hits, and then ko back. Fire types get raped by Earthquake, and yeah. 4 Spd to outspeed other 'zongs.​

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@Life Orb
Adamant (+Atk, -SpAtk) - 252 Atk/252 Hp/6 Spd - Technician

Fake Out
Bullet Punch
Mach Punch
Close Combat

Bottom Line

I love this. Garchomp can't switch in on it, though it doesn't matter anymore, because of the Suspect ladder, but I use this team on Wi-Fi, so yeah. Priomoves ftw! Fake Out once, then Bullet Punch/Mach Punch. Awesomenicalness personified personally.

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@Leftovers
Timid (+Spd, -Atk) - 224 Hp/136 Spd/150 SpAtk - Natural Cure

Thunderbolt
Surf
Ice Beam
Recover

Bottom Line

This came as a replacement to Vaporeon, mainly because of the fact it gets Thunderbolt, and has a reliable recovery move. It can switch in onto Infernape, Azelf and much, much, much more. Dangerous gave me the spread, because he uses it lol.

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@Liechi Berry
Adamant - 252 Atk/232 Spd/24 HP - Intimidate

Substitute
Dragon Dance
Flail
Waterfall

Bottom Line

What a monster. This team has a 3-1 record at the moment, and 1 of those wins was a straight sweep by this baby. I also aim to switch in on something which can hardly dent this, and DD once. Then start subbing down, and Flailing at as low HP as it can go. I mean +2 Atk, +1 Spd, 200 bp move with 383 atk can hardly be beaten easily.

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@Life Orb
Adamant - 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Hp - Guts

Aerial Ace
Stone Edge
Megahorn
Close Combat

Bottom Line

Well, this thing says hai to status, and is pure power with a burn/poison and Life Orb. I'm not too sure about Aerial Ace though. I'm using Miltonic's one on Wi-Fi currently, and I haven't changed it from how I got it.

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@Leftovers
Bold - 252 SpAtk/252 Spd/6 Hp - Serene Grace

Calm Mind
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Wish

Bottom Line

I'm not too sure about Wish. It never helps me, but its in there because its on the analyses. Lol. Tell me what to replace it with, if I should. Yep, calm mind while opponent switches, and then Thunderbolt/Psychic it to death.

Offensive Threat List

Tyranitar: Starmie/Jirachi

Gyarados: Starmie/Jirachi

Infernape: Bronzong/Starmie

Azelf: This could be trouble, but Starmie can hold it down for long enough to KO with STABed Surfs.

Electivire: Bronzong

Heracross: Jirachi and my Hera. Gyara fears Stone Edge, but can do well.

Salamence: Starmie

Togekiss: Starmie

Gengar: Starmie/Jirachi/Bronzong

Garchomp: Starmie/Hitmontop

Lucario: Hitmontop can blow holes in this

Starmie: Starmie could have a Stall War against it, and Jirachi could combat it too, but wouldn't take the STAB surfs nicely...

Weavile: Bronzong/Hera

Dugtrio: Well, not much, but Bronzong can survive its attacks I think, and KO, and it won't survive because of its fragility.

Porygon-Z: Hitmontop can prio it to death. Hera can create problems for it to.

Machamp: Gyarados/Starmie

Snorlax: Hera/Hitmontop

Zapdos: Bronzong/Starmie

Suicune: Starmie/Gyara

Breloom: Hitmontop/Bronzong

Ninjask: Hitmontop can prio it to death.

Metagross: Hitmontop/Hera

Heatran: Hitmontop can prio it.

Celebi: Starmie

Jirachi: Hitmontop/Hera

Dragonite: Bronzong

Mamoswine:

Gallade:

Yanmega:

Kingdra:

Roserade:

Scizor:

Deoxys-s:

Brb in 5 mins​
 
For Jirachi, I'd recommend 252 HP, 120 Def, 136 Spe with Bold (makes him a lot sturdier. If you don't want to use which, you could opt for Substitute. It prevents from annoying Status and since Jirachi is immune to Sandstorm and poison, Leftovers will recover the HP lost. After a while, your Sub becomes unbreakable for Blissey (as max HP allow for 101 HP Subs which Bliss is unable to break with Seisic Toss and CM boost your Special Defence

Edit: Concerning your thread list: Neither Jirachi nor Starmia can handle TTar
 
Aerial Ace doesn't really cover anything on heracross. You should replace it with either pursuit or night slash. Both of which allow you to hurt ghosts more and pursuit can catch blissey switching out.

Regarding your threat list, I'm pretty sure Hitmontop would be your first switch-in to Tyranitar. Neither starmie or jirachi enjoy eating CB crunches, and starmie may not even 2HKO Tyranitar with surf.
 
For Bronzong, Occa Berry+Levitate is better in just about every way. Levitate makes ground attacks do nil, meanwhile fire attacks still do neutral damage due to your steel typing. With Shuca Berry, ground attacks still do neutral and after they are SE. Occa Berry seems better here, and it allows you to destroy Garchomp even more.
 
blasphemy1 said:
For Bronzong, Occa Berry+Levitate is better in just about every way. Levitate makes ground attacks do nil, meanwhile fire attacks still do neutral damage due to your steel typing. With Shuca Berry, ground attacks still do neutral and after they are SE. Occa Berry seems better here, and it allows you to destroy Garchomp even more.
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That is plain wrong!
I'd choose to not use bronzong due to the amount of taunt leads now a days.
 
Errrr, I don't exactly see how Starmie helps at all with Azelf. Should you switch Starmie into Azelf and Azelf Nasty Plots, you've lost. Thunderbolt OHKOs after a Nasty Plot and I'm not too sure about Grass Knot, but that would hurt too. Saying that, some sort of NP/FT/Bolt/Psychic gets you bad. Even though Bolt may be uncommon, Grass Knot will still kill Starmie. Then Azelf will proceed to OHKO everything in its path.

What I seriously suggest you do is replace Starmie with a Cresselia. This will combat Azelf, Infernape and Garchomp for you just as Starmie does. Thunderwave would be a must on this set since Cresselia can't OHKO Azelf outside of Shadow Ball which generally is a bad option. TW also obviously cripples Azelf. Something as such:

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Modest - 20 HP/252 Defense/236 Sp.Attack
-Thunderwave
-Moonlight
-Psychic
-Ice Beam

I would suggest changing your Gyara into a Waterfall/DD/Ice Fang/Stone Edge @ LO ones. Using that Flail set would be too risky with the omnipresent SS up.

Finally, Night Slash > AA one Heracross. Choice Band or Scarf > Life Orb since Burn/Poison + Life Orb + Potential Sandstorm means that you're losing nearly 30% health each turn (even more when Toxic's damage supersedes 12%).
 
1234gjy said:
That is plain wrong!
I'd choose to not use bronzong due to the amount of taunt leads now a days.
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Not sure how this is valid. Fire Blast from lead Azelf 3HKOs because of Occa Berry, and late game you can still switch into Garchomp because of Levitate. With that shit berry, you switch into Garchomp's EQ, they will see that you took some damage, thus knowing they can rape you with EQ for the rest of the match. It doesn't help that one of your ground resists is weak to Stealth Rock, and the other is too fragile and has an item that hurts itself. Neither of them have recovery, and Substitute is hurting Gyarados so he could be at 50% the next time you need him to switch in. Garchomp+Magnezone is very common, and Magnezone destroys your Jirachi indefinitely due to lack of HP Fighting/Ground. If you really want to battle knowing you are using an inferior option, that is fine with me.
 
1234gjy said:
That is plain wrong!
I'd choose to not use bronzong due to the amount of taunt leads now a days.
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Why not? Bronzong has Gyro Ball, which does insane damage to the common SR Leads, who should be as fast as possible. Sure, you won't set up rocks, but most other leads are in a losing position, as they can only set up rocks as you kill it. There isn't one conventional taunt lead that Bronzong isn't able to beat with Heatproof. Not to mention that on the off chance that the opponent doesn't run a suicide lead, Bronzong actually is a good choice to face Gengar.

Regardless, Occa Berry + Levitate is better because you won't be surviving two Fire Blasts from either Mixape or Heatran anyway. Levitate makes you immune to Ground type moves, turning a 2HKO into a ∞HKO and the fact that you will take damage from Spikes is enough to skip Shuca+Heatproof.
 
I see a big Tyranitar weakness.

Starmie goes down to Pursuit, and Gyarados kinda gets screwed over. Jirachi can basically do shit all to it aswell.

You may say Starmie and Jirachi "counter" Tyranitar but they don't, both can't switch in, and the latter does nothing once switched in..Furthermore Heracross will fast be losing health to SS + LO, let alone if SR/Spikes are up.

I would follow GEC's advice and change that Gyarados, though maybe to BulkyDos, though its personal opinion.

Also, I would seriously run Levitate on Bronzong, just so you can slightly handle though EQ's (that threaten Jirachi) slightly better.

Oh, watch out for Magnezone with Magnet Rise too.
 
Considering that almost all Bronzongs have Levitate, I pretty positive that the average person will not use Ground attacks on Bronzong.
 
I don't see how Starmie or Jirachi handle Tyranitar. Both get UTTERLY decimated by CB Crunch. Starmie has a slight chance to 3HKO the mildly defensive versions, and has a harder time dealing with the extremely defensive sets. Jirachi does jack to it relying on Thunderbolt as it's only means of even scratching the green beast.

I stronly reccomend going with an Intimidate Hitmontop. That's why it counters TTar. Go with this:

Hitmontop @ Leftovers
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252 HP/74 Att/110 Def/74 SpD
Close Combat
Rapid Spin
Toxic
Stone Edge
 
In all honestly that has to be one of the worst threat lists I've seen on Smogon. You should try fixing it up some, since the only one that actually makes since is Hitmontop taking out Ninjask.

Starmie counters Tyranitar, Salamence, Gengar, Togekiss, Azelf, and Zapdos?

Hitmontop counters Metagross?
 
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