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Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.
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If you think about it Fire/Ground only actually has two weaknesses. Provided decent BS and EV investment, and backed by 4 resistances, it's not too shabby.
Sure, it's weakness to Water and Ground, of all things. Personally, I'm more than satisfied with it. You're bound to have some weakness right? I'm okay with having it be ground, just couple him with a nice levitator/flyer, many options there.
And as pointed out above, you can see water attacks coming from a mile away
Sure, it's weakness to Water and Ground, of all things. Personally, I'm more than satisfied with it. You're bound to have some weakness right? I'm okay with having it be ground, just couple him with a nice levitator/flyer, many options there.
And as pointed out above, you can see water attacks coming from a mile away
I actually think it's going to be a sturdy, physical Attacker. Hopefully, they give him a good Speed-Stat and above average Defenses, then it would be a cool addition to the metagame, imo.
HP: 110
Atk: 105
Def: 85
SAtk: 55
SDef: 75
Speed: 70
But I don't think, this will happen, because they'll take some strange numbers (like Infernape's Stats: 104 Atk & 108 Speed etc...)
HP: 110
Atk: 105
Def: 85
SAtk: 55
SDef: 75
Speed: 70
But I don't think, this will happen, because they'll take some strange numbers (like Infernape's Stats: 104 Atk & 108 Speed etc...)
In general, historically physical typings mostly don't self-resist, while historically special ones mostly do. Which makes sense to me. It's easy to see that water won't do much to water, fire to fire, electric to electric. Whereas there's no reason ground shouldn't hit other ground, or fighting other fighting - and one of the few things that can really put a dent in a rock is another rock.
We don't know if the shell shape is a logo. For all we know, it might be a functional part of his body...it seems to be bulging out too far from his chest to simply be a color element. Maybe its a hard lump that he smashes shells on. Maybe it's a little pouch that he puts things in. Maybe it will grow to become armor and cover his chest when he evolves. Point is, you might as well say that Bulbasaur's bulb is a logo, and that's just not true.
I actually had a hard time figuring out what Mijumaru was until someone pointed out the shell thing. Sorry if that makes me "stupid", but it's the truth. Sea Otters aren't the only water-dwelling mammals...I was thinking he looked more like a beaver or a muskrat.
Even if the shell is a logo, plenty of Pokemon have arbitrary design elements. Why does Pikachu have big red circles on its cheeks? Why does Espeon have Ampharos' red gem in her forehead when none of the other Eeveelutions do? And what's the deal with those bright gold circles on Umbreon when he's supposed to be a Dark pokemon? These things don't have any obvious purpose, but they don't need to. They just add a little flavor to the design. You can think whatever you want about Mijumaru, but he's not nearly as stylized or over-designed as something like Garchomp.
Agreed. Heatran has weakness to Ground and water as well, along with fighting. He's still good, and I'd argue a 4* ground weakness is worse then a 4* water weakness, although less strategically abusable. The fighting weakness hurts too. Overall it just takes the right stats.
You can build as a tank whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that that Pokemon wouldn't suck anyway. See Bastiodon, massive defence and SpD and immunity to toxic coupled with steel typing, but weak to ground\fighting\water moves. Or even better, Regice: great overall defensive stats and stab ice beam, but terrible typing. I believe that more often that not typing is more important than stats. Having good defensive stats but a bad defensive typing will rarely make a Pokemon a good wall.
I might as well not say that Bulbasaur's bulb is a logo because it's not. I don't know if we're looking at the same picture or not, but Mijumaru clearly looks as if its wearing some sort of children's pajamas with a big stupid logo on it. And yes, a logo is far different from Pikachu's cheeks and other animal markings. You might as well have put a nike swoosh on the otter.
120/110/95/20/80/105. How's that for a spread for the FE fire pig? Speed, bulk, and good physical attack - at the expense of abysmal special attack. Sure isn't mini-Uber.
How is a Nike Swoosh similar to a shell? One is a symbol for a shoe corporation, the other is...a shell. You're going to have to give me your definition of logo, because right now I'm just not getting it. So, Pikachu's cheeks are natural animal markings? OK, show me a mouse with giant bright red circles on its cheeks. What about the big metal X on Metagross' face, or the triangles on the bellies of the Lati twins? Are those logos?
I agree with you that Mijumaru is the worst looking of the starters...Tsutaja all the way for me! But maybe we are looking at different pictures of him, because I think the shell is a physical growth on his body. The way the two lines on it curve inwards make it look three-dimensional, and the way Mijumaru is resting his hand on it makes me think it's some kind of pouch that he's about to open. I guess its all a matter of perspective.
As for the whole pajama thing...I think I can explain that. Sea otters have black paws, dark brown fur, and light brown (almost white) fur on their faces. When you look at one, it almost seems like it's a much more lightly colored animal wearing black pajamas...kind of like the classic "tuxedo" adult penguins have.
GameFreak's designers chose to exaggerate this by making the head stark white, and they based the body on blue rather than brown in order to emphasize that it was a water type. I can't say I agree with their choice, and I wish they'd given Mijumaru a bit more of a furry texture, but they did base their design on reality. Real sea otters even have a patch of lightly colored fur on their chests, close to where Mijumaru's shell would be. I think this photo shows that pretty well...
@Cantab: He better have some extremely exploitable weakness because that 120 Hp is going to make him take hits very well. Even Lickilicky, with his average defenses, is able to take hits very well because of his 110 hp stat. Still, it would be interesting to see this fire be rather well rounded, but maybe not excell that well in everything. Most Pokemon who have decent attacking stats and decent bulk are offset by speed. Wheres the exchange?
I wouldn't say the new Pokemon suck just because they're...new. I liked many of the artist's theories about the water starter. In this picture, I actually like the water type, and how it's positioned, and it's expression. I thought the official one just looked like a depressed clown.
Come on man be realistic, Fire Piggy won't have less than 70 in either offensive stat in the best case scenario. The lowest attack a starter has is 82 (Meganium & Venusaur) and the lowest special attack is 75 (Torterra).
I think the best we could hope for competitively is something like 110/120/60/80/60/105 (535) or 110/80/60/120/60/105 (535) and even that I don't think is likely to happen. We're probably gonna get a spread similar to Swampert or Torterra's, which, given this guy's Fire typing, will doom him to mediocrity.
I think the fire pig will have decent defenses but I think attack is going to be it's highest base stat, I just can't see him being special based, and I don't think he's going to be defense based either, if he ends up being a big burly fire warthog then I'm hoping for something like...
100/105/95/60/75/100
Though it's probably guaranteed to get outclassed by infernape unless it has a damn good movepool or secondary typing, because fire types die anyway.
Its exploitable weakness is that it's stopped cold by any physical wall without a fire weakness. Provided it doesn't get Swords Dance or Grass Knot (neither of which I consider thematically likely) Hippowdon destroys it.
But as mentioned, an extremely low offense is unlikely on a starter.
Well, Infernape randomly got Grass Knot (as did Empoleon) so you never can tell...
How about hidden power looks different depending on it's type. Like, if its fire type, it blasts out with flames, but if it's electric, electricity shoots out...I guess that makes it easy for kids to know their hidden power types, but it's not like theyre going to change a raised pokemon, so if it's weak or a bad type, it doesn't matter.
I say it's probably going to get high HP no matter what because pigs are often fat. The breed that it looks most based on also happens to have a high fat content (though this is Wikipedia info,) and as we all know from the egg we'd all love to scramble but can't because of its 135 base special defense...While not all high-HP Pokemon are fat, all fat Pokemon have high HP.
(Electivire is not fat, Electabuzz took steroids and is paying by being fail.)
On the other hand, I see Pokabu evolving into the "bulky" Pokemon of them. (In Gen I this was Blastoise, Gen II the closest equivalent was Meganium, Gen III it was Swampert, Gen IV this was Torterra [though also arguably Empoleon.]) Given our prdictions for a Grass flightless bird, though, it wouldn't be unfeasible to get a Grass/Flying Quetzalcoatl for a final stage.
And we'd finally get a Pokemon that helps teh fanboiz realize Charizard does indeed suck.
Though it WOULD be funny if Pokabu's final stage was a pig-headed flaming troll. Literally, not the Internet definition. THAT would be hilarious and put a whole new spin on "obvious troll is obvious."
And Mijumaru is growing on me, slowly and steadily. I think I might actually be able to go with my plans to use Mijumaru, Pokabu, and Treeko after all...
I don't know what to expect from Mijumaru's evolution, though the shell growing into armor seems feasible as was previously stated.
Also, predicted stat spread for final form of Pokabu, if it's a boar:
HP: 121
Attack: 121
Def: 73
Sp. A: 71
Sp. D: 73
Speed: 75
Fire tank with Megahorn and recoil moves.
Also, it looks like from Cerebii's latest description, it's still Zoroark with an illusory skin. The illusion apparently fades when Zoroark's low on health, so while you can bluff initially, after a few entry hazard switch-ins Zoroark's epic bluff abilities phail.
Grass Knot does have a very wide distribution, but there is one pattern - the overwhelming majority of what learns it is either grass-type or bipedal in its final evolutionary stage. Few non-grass quadrupeds get it (Espeon, Girafarig, Linoone, Delcatty, Metagross, Arceus). And while I may be wrong, I expect the fire pig's whole line to be quadrupedal. (Quite a few levitating things get Grass Knot, but that's one thing I really don't expect from fire piggy).
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This post made me so very happy.How is a Nike Swoosh similar to a shell? One is a symbol for a shoe corporation, the other is...a shell. You're going to have to give me your definition of logo, because right now I'm just not getting it. So, Pikachu's cheeks are natural animal markings? OK, show me a mouse with giant bright red circles on its cheeks. What about the big metal X on Metagross' face, or the triangles on the bellies of the Lati twins? Are those logos?
I agree with you that Mijumaru is the worst looking of the starters...Tsutaja all the way for me! But maybe we are looking at different pictures of him, because I think the shell is a physical growth on his body. The way the two lines on it curve inwards make it look three-dimensional, and the way Mijumaru is resting his hand on it makes me think it's some kind of pouch that he's about to open. I guess its all a matter of perspective.
As for the whole pajama thing...I think I can explain that. Sea otters have black paws, dark brown fur, and light brown (almost white) fur on their faces. When you look at one, it almost seems like it's a much more lightly colored animal wearing black pajamas...kind of like the classic "tuxedo" adult penguins have.
GameFreak's designers chose to exaggerate this by making the head stark white, and they based the body on blue rather than brown in order to emphasize that it was a water type. I can't say I agree with their choice, and I wish they'd given Mijumaru a bit more of a furry texture, but they did base their design on reality. Real sea otters even have a patch of lightly colored fur on their chests, close to where Mijumaru's shell would be. I think this photo shows that pretty well...
If he gets a good coverage with a third move(and hopefully a tad more defs) this sort of spread could work veery well with a speed-boosting move. STAB Fire/Ground with 120 base atk can scare a lot of shit off
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