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ButteredToast said:
You don't either. But then again, my boy CJ Wilson will shut you up until Spring Training. Hope you like football...
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Bolded part confuses me. How do I not know about my own sports city? And how does one who is clearly not a fan and is out of state know more?

AHHH shucks. CJ Wilson's too good. Darn, he held us to 7 runs... GG ButteredToast.... Oh wait. I think we're still playing baseball.




moi said:
Cabrera had a season that fluctuated because of his BABIP. His September stats seem much better because of the high level of luck on his batted ball average, so it's not fair to make assumptions that his September carried him...

Miguel Cabrera's BABIP/AVG per month
.325/.333 - April
.319/.286 - May
.373/376 - June
.271/.250 - July
.433/.390 - August
.446/.429 - September

Instead, his stats were just a representation of an average. Assuming one player is having an "excellent" month due to heating up or what not tends to really just be a large streak of better luck.
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Cabby had a .329 average going into September. It took a .429 average in September to get his average all the way up to .344 and subsequently get the batting title (which i'm guessing is why you think he has a case.) and barely get another 30-100 season. Hardly spectacular for his caliber this year. I'm not saying he wasn't a big contributor, because he always is. Compared to the other position players that could make a case to be MVP though, Cabby's resume this year is underwhelming.
 
J-man said:
Cabby had a .329 average going into September. It took a .429 average in September to get his average all the way up to .344 and subsequently get the batting title (which i'm guessing is why you think he has a case.) and barely get another 30-100 season. Hardly spectacular for his caliber this year. I'm not saying he wasn't a big contributor, because he always is. Compared to the other position players that could make a case to be MVP though, Cabby's resume this year is underwhelming.
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Cabrera had a 7.3 WAR season and was second to Jose Bautista in wOBA and wRC+. what the fuck are you saying, an underwhelming year?

his wOBA by month
Mar/April: .450
May: .363
June: .485
July: .350
August: .430
September: .537

that is incredible.
 
Sabermetrics are just stupid computer stats imo. I have such a vast knowledge of baseball, but some of those stats are so random and i am thinking it is college calculus rather then watching a ball game. Not dissing you moi. Anyways, the tigers did wreck C.j yesterday. Texas came back, but we'll see in Arlington who really deserves the american league pennant.
 
I'm fine with you saying that, but it'd be nice if you could provide proof as to why they are inaccurate in terms of properly quantifying things. They're obviously not perfect, but they are the most efficient way of quantifying the actual skill of a player, especially when compared to pedestrian stats.
 
I agree, some sabermetrics are very accurate and give baseball a much more analyzed approach. But ones such as Wins above replacement i really dont get, but sometimes a more technical approach really does determine the "real" skill of a player, as you said.
 
orbpom123 said:
I agree, some sabermetrics are very accurate and give baseball a much more analyzed approach. But ones such as Wins above replacement i really dont get, but sometimes a more technical approach really does determine the "real" skill of a player, as you said.
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perhaps you should first type in a normal font. then, after you've learned to do that, you can go to Baseball-Reference or Fangraphs and discover for yourself what these stats mean, complete with how they are calculated. just because you don't understand them does not make them "stupid computer stats." they are far more effective at quantifying value than your "vast amount of baseball knowledge."
 
aamto said:
perhaps you should first type in a normal font. then, after you've learned to do that, you can go to Baseball-Reference or Fangraphs and discover for yourself what these stats mean, complete with how they are calculated. just because you don't understand them does not make them "stupid computer stats." they are far more effective at quantifying value than your "vast amount of baseball knowledge."
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Alright. These stats don't seem legit to me. Runs created in fact is a great stat, one that greatly contributes to a mvp winner(granderson will be greatly thought of in the race). But some of these stats don't have a formula to even determine it, so i'm calling shenanigans. Plus if your watching a game, i'm not going to calculate these wacko math problems to determine every aspect of the game literally. I know what your trying to say that it is good at finding a value of a player, but you have to understand that even 10 years ago this didn't exist, and baseball stats went along fine.
 
orbpom123 said:
Alright. These stats don't seem legit to me. Runs created in fact is a great stat, one that greatly contributes to a mvp winner(granderson will be greatly thought of in the race). But some of these stats don't have a formula to even determine it, so i'm calling shenanigans. Plus if your watching a game, i'm not going to calculate these wacko math problems to determine every aspect of the game literally.
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no one is asking you to calculate anything. rather, you should be able to watch the game and understand things that you previously didn't think about. just because you don't understand the idea and mathematics (and there is a formula for every stat...where do you think they come from?) doesn't mean it's "shenanigans." the idea of sabermetrics is not so much to worship a computer/calculator like you think it is; it is meant to analyze baseball more in depth than before. we are past the point of it being shenanigans; sabermetrics are an accepted part of the game, evidenced by front offices now employing stats people and departments. either get with the times or continue to reject facts and stats in favor of RBIs and Wins.

the bottom line and thing you should understand is that sabermetrics is just math. and you can't disprove math. some stats are overly specific but the "core stats" (pitching stats such as FIP, xFIP, SIERA and hitting stats such as OBP, wOBA, and wRC+, and the encompassing stat of WAR) describe player performance a better fashion in a than BA, RBIs, Wins, WHIP, and other traditional stats do.

I know what your trying to say that it is good at finding a value of a player, but you have to understand that even 10 years ago this didn't exist, and baseball stats went along fine.
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60 years ago, black people didn't have civil rights. and the country was fine. progress is good, no?
 
So your saying that over time we should change baseball and it will be the benefit? Okay, so in 20 years lets ban umps, have robots analyze plays and have no error, not that technology fails or anything! Oh and screw players, in the future we will have a computer hologram just "simulate" a game.
 
orbpom123 said:
So your saying that over time we should change baseball and it will be the benefit? Okay, so in 20 years lets ban umps, have robots analyze plays and have no error, not that technology fails or anything! Oh and screw players, in the future we will have a computer hologram just "simulate" a game.
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He was saying that you shouldn't be satisfied with accepting how things are if positive progress can be made. Sabermetrics provided positive progress in terms of statistical analysis for baseball.

It is simply foolish to refuse positive progress due to fear of change.
 
moi said:
He was saying that you shouldn't be satisfied with accepting how things are if positive progress can be made. Sabermetrics provided positive progress in terms of statistical analysis for baseball.

It is simply foolish to refuse positive progress due to fear of change.
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Oh no, i was not refusing to accept sabermetrics, i just thought it the normal stats should not be overshadowed. Now i get the fact it is calculated from a legit formula, but when watching a game i don't think we will able to calculate them. Sorry if i sounded obnoxious, not meant. Back on topic, who do you guys think will pull off the alcs game win?
 
orbpom123 said:
Oh no, i was not refusing to accept sabermetrics, i just thought it the normal stats should not be overshadowed. Now i get the fact it is calculated from a legit formula, but when watching a game i don't think we will able to calculate them. Sorry if i sounded obnoxious, not meant. Back on topic, who do you guys think will pull off the alcs game win?
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My original prediction was Rangers in 6 with us losing games 3 and 5 (which happened)....so I'm going to stick with that. If we do lose game 6 then I think that Fister will beat us in game 7, so it's a must win for us just as much as it is for Detroit IMO.
 
Really disappointed in Detroit. I was hoping they'd go far this year. That third inning was just painful.

Texas is one fucking offensive beast of a team though. Holy shit Cruz.
 
I jinxed the first two rounds. Time for a Pujols icon. Although I am way more terrified of him than Delmon Young or Kyle Farnsworth.

Why would the Tigers possibly beat the Rangers? They had the same level of offenses and the Rangers had much better pitching, Verlander or not. Rangers have also been on a tear going back to 20 games before the playoffs...they have basically been unstoppable for a month straight.
 
Detroit did not have the same offense. Nelson Cruz bats 7TH!. Who bats 7th for detroit? jhonny peralta? And much more power with texas.
 
orbpom123 said:
Detroit did not have the same offense. Nelson Cruz bats 7TH!. Who bats 7th for detroit? jhonny peralta? And much more power with texas.
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Don't forget our number 8 hitter, David Murphy, has probably been a top 10 hitter for the last 30 games or so. He's been on such an insane tear that they intentionally walked our 8th hitter (!) Our 9th hitter even has an AVG (I know it's not the be all and end all) above .300, albeit not in a full season. If our pitching staff can even be half as effective as they were in the regular season and even in the ALDS and if we can overcome the home field advantage of the NL team (especially the Brewers with the best home record in the MLB) then I don't see anyone denying us this time around! I'm pretty ridiculously excited for this WS not gonna lie!
 
Rooting for rangers this time around, i think the harder team will be brew crew. With the heavy right handed offense, the tex's lhp will have a hard time. Then again, brewers are having trouble with pitching. My guess is cardinals-rangers and rangers win in 5, cardinals don't have nearly offense/pitching to compete.
 
Yeah, but the Cardinals were considered out before in the WC race and against the Phillies and both times they came through. Don't count out the Cards!
 
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