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Is there any way to not make Heimerdinger not completely useless late game? He's so much fun in with his stun, turrets, and missiles and is awesome at laning, but once it gets to an actual teamfight, you need to place turrets properly to deal damage, and Heimer is too squishy to place turrets in proper range :(
 
Tankerdinger.

Heimerdinger is really one of the worst champions in the game at this time, though he isn't terrible to the level that Eve was terrible back when she was bad. I would say to just avoid him until they work on him, as has been confirmed to be happening.

IMO Heimer, Sejuani, and Xerath need help a lot more then Kat did.
 
Sejuani! I loved her when she first came out. She has my favorite ult in the game. But yeah, she just doesn't do anything else better than similar champs. Haven't picked her since release week.
 
Sejuani doesn't need a rework, she'd be fine with a few slight tweaks. Heimer's already getting reworked, and idk very much about Xerath.
 
Sejuani doesn't need a rework, she'd be fine with a few slight tweaks. Heimer's already getting reworked, and idk very much about Xerath.

Sejuani is kinda a feel thing. Her jungle clear times are kinda lackluster, her top lane and support is just plain bad, and she doesn't bring the sustained damage of Amumu or the burst of Nautilus. Her ganks are great, so I can live with her, but the biggest problem is the feel of her.

>giant mace
>rides a boar
>trains in freezing cold weather

doesn't work well with

>deals mostly magic damage
>no defensive steroid
>almost naked

It's a little baffling to me. That said, I'll probably buy her or Lulu as soon as I hit 6300, haven't quite decided yet.
 
Yeah i don't entirely understand the desire for a kat remake, all it's done it make people playing kat show up in every other game at least :/

i'm pretty sure riot are taking a look at sej, but the quality analysis guy i saw posting about it said it was more likely to be tweaks than a rework. i'll see if i can find a source but this was like a month and a half ago so i may not be able to
 
The reworks are for older champs that Riot feel are outdated and need to be updated to keep on par with their current content. Since Sej is a pretty new champion, I really doubt they'll rework her. However I do agree that Sej needs some changes.
 
Tankerdinger.

Heimerdinger is really one of the worst champions in the game at this time, though he isn't terrible to the level that Eve was terrible back when she was bad. I would say to just avoid him until they work on him, as has been confirmed to be happening.

IMO Heimer, Sejuani, and Xerath need help a lot more then Kat did.

xerath.....
 
I've been slowly buying all of the cheapest champs and seeing who I really like.

Nunu is fucking beast. Has an ability that literally consumes any creep in 1hit basically. Super easy to farm. And he's fun late game with his crazy ult and shit. And it's fun once you're fully built going and soloing Dragon/Baron lol
 
I've been slowly buying all of the cheapest champs and seeing who I really like.

Nunu is fucking beast. Has an ability that literally consumes any creep in 1hit basically. Super easy to farm. And he's fun late game with his crazy ult and shit. And it's fun once you're fully built going and soloing Dragon/Baron lol

Nunu ulting in a bush and watching half the opponent's HP disappear is always a great feeling :D. Don't solo dragon with Nunu though, do it with Udyr (can solo it at level 5/6)

I highly recommend Ryze, IMO the best bang for your buck (IP?) champ
 
Nunu ulting in a bush and watching half the opponent's HP disappear is always a great feeling :D. Don't solo dragon with Nunu though, do it with Udyr (can solo it at level 5/6)

I highly recommend Ryze, IMO the best bang for your buck (IP?) champ

Yeah, I'll get to him eventually. Everybody seems to say he's pretty powerful! I don't think I'll get the angel thing because everyone says it sucks and I've never seen someone using it and doing well at all, so I'll skip that.
 
Xerath is actually pretty amazing right now, he has ridiculously long range. only thing is his cd's are a bit bad. he needs another attacking spell and he would be OP
 
Yeah, I'll get to him eventually. Everybody seems to say he's pretty powerful! I don't think I'll get the angel thing because everyone says it sucks and I've never seen someone using it and doing well at all, so I'll skip that.
Watch Dyrus at MLG Anaheim for some good Kayle action. For a good while Kayle was considered bad but only almost recently did she gain some respect so yeah that would explain why "everyone says she sucks".

Ryze is an easy champ to pick up though his laning phase can be bothersome at times. Midgame he becomes an absolute terror because he's an indestructible killing machine thanks to his offensive scaling with defensive items. Just make sure you smartcast or else you'll lose a lot of damage.
 
Agreeing with everyone who says that Ryze is an excellent buy considering how cheap he is. He's a top-tier tournament pick and he doesn't really have any bad lane matchups if you play him right. He's got ridiculous burst and late-game, once he builds some survivability, he's very difficult to kill while still dealing a ton of damage.
 
You know how the joke goes...

"Why would you play an AD Carry besides Graves?"
"So you can give your forehead a break!"

Seriously though, I have no idea why Riot has allowed Graves to be top pick/ban for so long when they nerf anything else as dominant as him the patch after the tournament.
 
Watch Dyrus at MLG Anaheim for some good Kayle action. For a good while Kayle was considered bad but only almost recently did she gain some respect so yeah that would explain why "everyone says she sucks".

Kayle FotM happened shortly after I began playing.

One day, 'I'm playing Kayle', 'oh, well, if you're trolling, I'm trolling too'.

Next day, no one bats an eyelid.
 
You know how the joke goes...

"Why would you play an AD Carry besides Graves?"
"So you can give your forehead a break!"

hahahahahhaaha this is absolutely brilliant.

Botlane, especially in competitive play, is literally an absolute cesspool AD carry-wise. It's only going to get worse, too.

The (Korean) heavy pushing meta punishes the lategame-oriented carries because as we saw in TSM vs LGN, Vayne's turrets were all taken before she could actually do anything notable because the rest of her lanes lost hard and this prevented her from farming really at all. She and Kog'Maw have no place in "take all outer and inner turrets by 20min" comps. They should never even come CLOSE to hitting their lategame farm and build against comps like this unless the push comp plays horribly wrong.

Miss Fortune and Caitlyn, traditionally strong earlygame carries, are now outclassed by Graves and Corki. Literally, why play either when gravves and plane boy.

It was nice to see Cait actually get picked and have a 100% winrate. And holy balls I nearly cried when Vayne finally made her appearance and we were blessed enough to be graced with Kog'Maw in the final game.

Side note but IMO Curse royally screwed up their support pick that game - they wanted a strong AOE comp but picking Sona into Blitzcrank is literally the most retarded thing you can ever do - he bends Sona over and bones her rectum so hard he pulls her lower intestine out because she can do absolutely nothing to help her carry if he is getting zoned or if either gets grabbed. Leona would have been an infinitely better pick and her ultimate, though the stun radius is smaller, is still an AOE mega-cc and would increase the damage of Zyra's ult. Kog could literally not farm in lane because of Blitz and Sona couldn't help him.

Ashe was surprisingly absent and Sivir was notably MIA as well, which I think is odd because Sivir is wonderful in splitpush comps and is the best ADC at pushing because of her spells. However, why pick 500 range Sivir when Graves/Corki mash buttons from even farther away.

Graves is too tanky in lane for his burst but I actually agree with some pros that Corki is the one who is even more out of balance with the other ADs, people just don't notice it because he's not as tanky.

Graves/Corki/Ezreal were all major picks because free flash LULZ and theirs are better than Cait's because using hers offensively is almost impossible and Trist's rocket jump can easily mess up. Additionally, all 3 of these ADs have stronger midgames than Tristana, which is why I feel we don't see her in these push-heavy comps.

Corki's winrate is out of line, but mostly the fact that Graves and Corki have NO weaknesses at any point in the game except "if you let it go to 50 minutes, Vayne and Kog'Maw are going to dump on your face if you have equivalent builds" makes it stupid to not pick them every single game. They have literally no risk for their reward and there is not a significant enough difference, especially at high ELO play where people don't sit around by walls for Vayne to get free stuns, between their lategames/laning to warrant picking other ADs. Even strong earlygame champs like MF and Varus don't get picked because lol no free flash and they don't remain AS strong lategame as Corki/Graves.

tl;dr botlane is terribad Riot needs to learn to balance ADC risk/reward.

Also RE: Kayle, she is labeled as a support. I think it really was just nobody knew how to build her or where to put her - her W mana cost is too intensive to really be good at healing, her harass after Q pushes the lane and can steal CS from the splash, so she isn't really a good support. She isn't as good at AD carry in the 2v2 botlane situation because she does not have ranged AAs up 100% of the time and this lets her take harass or miss CS. Kayle is a toplane AD carry who can dump hard on melees and freefarm and lategame churn out the damages. Once Dyrus started playing her as such people realized that was where she belonged and that is how to build her and she became popular and not a "lel kayle sux" pick.
 
Corki/graves botlane meta is pretty annoying, with ezreal thrown in there as well because of his mobility. I'm a big fan of Vayne also but I know shes not viable at all because of her awful lane phase, kog maw isnt as bad because he can harass at 6, but having no mobility like corki/graves/ezreal is his downfall. Blitzcrank also starting to be a real terror in botlane, he wasnt really picked during MLG anahiem but has gained a ton of momentum ever since. Also the fact that later in the game - one blitzcrank grab can change the outcome of the game. Ive had games where our blitzcrank randomly hooks and it grabs a carry from the other team, allowing us to easily baron/get free inhib.
 
blitzcrank is the most annoying champion to play against, imo

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veigar is very fun
 
what on earth are those builds O_O

Also Vayne is perfectly viable but most people don't want to deal with her early game weaknesses and would rather just blast stuff away with Graves or Corki. Speaking of which, I have nothing against them, but I'm starting to get annoyed at the number of Corki vs Graves botlanes.

Also Blitzcrank is like an x-factor. Sometimes, he wins you games, gets your teammates fed, and lands a gamewinning hook at the end of the game. Other times, Blitz might've just grabbed Kennen, Amumu, or Morgana into the team and gave them a free gapcloser =/
 
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