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Blissey

Today I just realized that there is Evasion Clause ain't implemented in Pokemon Online yet. Blissey gets Minimize which now increases evasion by +2 levels. So I threw together a set that takes advantage of this.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure/Healing Heart
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 52 SDef / 4 SpA
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Wish/Softboiled
- Toxic/Thunder Wave
- Minimize
- Ice Beam/HP Ground/Shadow Ball

Lots of choices with this set, although I personally use the first moves that are listed. Wish got a buff this generation, healing half of Blissey's HP instead of half of the Pokemon's HP. This means that Blissey can give a 375 HP boost, which is more than 100% HP for most pokemon. Of course, it is hard to get pokemon with low HP in with all the entry hazards, so you could use Softboiled instead to heal in one turn, over waiting and possibly dying. If you do use Softboiled, you could go with Healing Heart to get an equivalent of heal bell every few turns (not sure how this works).

Toxic or Thunder Wave cripple the opponent, but I prefer Toxic because it can actually do damage.

Minimze is extremely annoying, and has caused many ragequits because people think there is an evasion clause (like I did when someone baton passed +6 evasion to a dragonite with a smeargle). Kojondo and Blaziken will think twice before using Hi Jump Kick, because there is a 50% chance that they could miss and KO themselves. Plus when you get to +6 evasion, pretty much nothing can hit you.

The last slot is for doing damage. I personally use Ice Beam because it hits more things. HP Ground hits Shandera for SE damage, but in my experience, everything either is a flying type or has levitate, not to mention the new balloon item. Shadow Ball also SEs Shandera, but Ice Beam is better overall.
 
A set of wild bolt,return,earthquake,and drain punch can be used to make gigigear and Banibaria feel like shit...

But In all seriousness Blissey will always be a great status spreader in my eye...How come blissy can make earthquakes and Arcanine can't, that will always be fucked up IMO.
 
Green Thunder said:
A set of wild bolt,return,earthquake,and drain punch can be used to make gigigear and Banibaria feel like shit...

But In all seriousness Blissey will always be a great status spreader in my eye...How come blissy can make earthquakes and Arcanine can't, that will always be fucked up IMO.
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Blissey has such an awesome physical movepool, but the worst physical stats in the game. Come on, it can learn strength, even with those stubby little arms! Plus egg bomb is the coolest move ever.
 
Green Thunder said:
A set of wild bolt,return,earthquake,and drain punch can be used to make gigigear and Banibaria feel like shit...

But In all seriousness Blissey will always be a great status spreader in my eye...How come blissy can make earthquakes and Arcanine can't, that will always be fucked up IMO.
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Her fat makes the ground quake. Just saying.
 
IcyMan28 said:
Why does everyone continue to babble about Shandera? I thought this was the Blissey thread?

"Shandera is a special attacker so its relevant lol."

Yeah we get it. Blissey can be trapped; catch in on the switch with Toxic or Thunder Wave. Otherwise, run Shed Shell like Skarmory has had to for the past generation. It really isn't that difficult.

I'd much rather talk about other special threats that can get past Blissey, both old and new.

-Lucario: With Nasty Plot in its arsenal, Blissey is easily 2HKOd by +2 Aura Sphere - Calm 252/252 Blissey, that is. Lucario really doesn't need much more, with Shadow Ball giving it perfect coverage and STAB Vacuum Wave for priority.

-Voltolos: This pokemon actually has a one-third chance to 2HKO Blissey after Stealth Rock and Lefties by using a +2 Timid LO Thunderbolt. If that isn't enough for you though, simply change the nature to Naive and run Hammer Arm, which will always 2HKO 252/252 Bold Blissey.

-Kerudio: The Water/Fighting type pony laughs in Blissey's face, obliterating the pink blob with a +1 Sword of Mystery, which hits Bliss's defense stat but runs off of Kerudio's SpA. It doesn't even need a boosting item to do so, letting it supplement its bulk and resistances with the Leftovers item.

-Azelf: A Life Orb and Nasty Plot allows Azelf to OHKO 252/252 Bold Blissey 74% of the time with Psycho Shock, assuming Stealth Rock. The powerful pixie no longer needs to blow itself up to take it out, and it gives the Nasty Plot set new life and use.


Those are just a few others; Shell Break rain sweepers, Solar Power SpecsZard, and more are all capable of inflicting severe damage on the blob. It looks like Blissey is becoming more and more of a liability with each generation that goes by. I wonder whether a specially defensive EV spread will become the standard, since physical sweepers are plowing through it regardless.
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This is the best post ive seen. Chansey/Blissey, although by and large the best special wall in the game and a good switch inb to just about any special threat WILL indeed have some new problems to contend with in this gen. One of those problems will NOT be shandera.
 
Blissey should run shed shell because without it, it becomes one of the easiest mons for shandera to set up on. Simply sub up with Shandera and theres very little blissey can do.
Not to mention gochiezeru who gets tickle,rest,taunt,calm mind, psycho shock which enables it to destroy blssey one on one or tickle it enoigh that scizor gets an easy ohko.
 
Predict a Shandera (hell, there'll be team previews) and status it. Not too hard. They might start running Lum, though..
 
Bynine said:
Predict a Shandera (hell, there'll be team previews) and status it. Not too hard. They might start running Lum, though..
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...And prediction goes both ways. "Shandera will predict you and never switch in on a status move tee hee".


...Man, we have, what, four threads on the first page which the main subject is Shandera? the hell is this
 
And so the prediction goes in a never-ending loop, where the smarter player is the winner in that situation.

It's come to a point where the two are intertwined. They practically have a fucking umbilical cord tied between them.
 
masterful said:
Bliss is outclassed by Chansey, as it has significantly higher SpD and Def, as well as slightly lower HP
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Not so much. Chansey's Ice Beam doesn't even break offensive Jaroda's Substitute, her special attack is pathetic and is forced to run Seismic Toss (meaning Ghost-types now set up on you with impunity). Blissey's special attack lets it OHKO stuff like Salamence after Stealth Rock, or beat Nattorei with Flamethrower (with Seismic Toss you get Leech Seed stalled). Blissey is also able to run Leftovers or Shed Shell. Leftovers allows it to take a total net damage that is generally less than what Chansey takes on the special side, while Shed Shell allows you to escape CM Shandera (or Substitute + Pain Split, which wrecks any Chansey). So yeah, "outclassed" without a qualifier before it is outlandish and downright wrong.
 
And Chansey is absolutely crippled by trick. Blissey can chose to be immune to trick if she wishes (use mail instead of lefties).
 
Arc Tech said:
And Chansey is absolutely crippled by trick. Blissey can chose to be immune to trick if she wishes (use mail instead of lefties).
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Mail Is just awful...theirs a reason people haven't used it and it's been out for three generatios... If your scared of trick, switch to someone who could use the item(or even better already has it :D) that takes really good "prediction" though...
 
blasphemy1 said:
Not so much. Chansey's Ice Beam doesn't even break offensive Jaroda's Substitute, her special attack is pathetic and is forced to run Seismic Toss (meaning Ghost-types now set up on you with impunity). Blissey's special attack lets it OHKO stuff like Salamence after Stealth Rock, or beat Nattorei with Flamethrower (with Seismic Toss you get Leech Seed stalled). Blissey is also able to run Leftovers or Shed Shell. Leftovers allows it to take a total net damage that is generally less than what Chansey takes on the special side, while Shed Shell allows you to escape CM Shandera (or Substitute + Pain Split, which wrecks any Chansey). So yeah, "outclassed" without a qualifier before it is outlandish and downright wrong.
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Honestly, if you use Bliss as a straight special sponge or wish passer, it is outclassed by Chansey with its greater defensive stats, but if you run a Blissey that you would keep in against Mence, than its special attack can be useful. Also, running Shed Shell on Bliss is ridiculous, as it eliminates the lefties recovery you so love, and could be replaced by the use of HP Ground, which does unfortunately ruin the usefulness of its "great" SpA. You can't say that Bliss is better as it can run a set that doesn't get owned by Shandera, but is less useful in every single way than Chansey.
 
The "How to deal with Shandera" talk
I'd agree with masterful that HP Ground might become very useful on Blissey, it and Ice Beam would be very good for taking out special attackers.
The "Blissey vs. Chansey" talk.
I look at Chansey as a barricade. It takes a few attacks and it takes them well. But in the end it'll fall down. Blissey is the wall. It keeps on taking attacks because it can use Leftovers.

I'm not to knowledgeable. But there's my opinion on the matter.
 
Blissey is a classic example for why Shadow Tag Clause needs to become standard. We have to make special accomodations for blissey/chansey just so they can beat shanderaa (shed shell)?? That's ridiculous.
 
Yeah, I think it's silly to say "Blissey is 100% better than Chansey" or vice versa. That just isn't true. They've both got advantages and disadvantages over each other. Overall, I'd say Blissey is better, but on certain teams I'd opt for Chansey over Blissey.
 
cco said:
The "How to deal with Shandera" talk
I'd agree with masterful that HP Ground might become very useful on Blissey, it and Ice Beam would be very good for taking out special attackers.
The "Blissey vs. Chansey" talk.
I look at Chansey as a barricade. It takes a few attacks and it takes them well. But in the end it'll fall down. Blissey is the wall. It keeps on taking attacks because it can use Leftovers.

I'm not to knowledgeable. But there's my opinion on the matter.
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There's this really cool new invention called Softboiled/Wish that makes chansey an absolute BITCH to take out
 
lmitchell0012 said:
Blissey is a classic example for why Shadow Tag Clause needs to become standard. We have to make special accomodations for blissey/chansey just so they can beat shanderaa (shed shell)?? That's ridiculous.
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Since GSC special attackers have had to go to extreme lengths to beat blissey, yet now that blissey has something that it cant beat without resorting to extreme measures you think a clause is necessary. If that was the case for the last three gens we should have had a "blissey clause".
 
Yeah, I kind of agree. Whereas Blissey can't do a thing to my Trick Room team (Wallbreaker Rhypherior and Rankusuru), Chansey can actually stall out my Trick Room turns and Softboil the damage when she's faster than one of my Pokemon. This is kind of a problem when Chansey is susceptible to 2HKOs and needs recovery to make my hits 3HKOs.

In any case, both blobs are crippled by Trick as the others have covered before me. I'd REALLY like to take that Stone away from Chansey just so I could have a chance at a 2HKO, whereas Blissey's a standard.
 
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