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League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??
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The Aspd reduction on wither remains at a constant rate of 35% for the 5 second duration. A tanky dps with an actual gap closer and frozenheart / randuins can quickly surpass that. I am not even going to try to factor in potential dps loss because the tanky dps in on your face as an ad and you have to run away because that is beyond my ability but nassus late game dmg isn't any better than say irelias if you look at dps. It is fun as hell to pop someone for 500 dmg Q's after armor reduction but you can only do that every 2.4ish seconds with max cdr i think. His actual dps is not as high as you would think comparing him to an ad carry.
His role is like most other offtanks types is to do a bit of everything mitigate some of their ads dmg, boost his owns with the armor reduction, soak some dmg and put out some mild dps with decently large burst. Even if you take away his awful early game the "meta game: has moved away from the all rounder types and more into "specialist" roles. Teams expect the top laner to be tanky and in the ads face about to murder him if the enemy team doesn't stop him and nass just can't accomplish that role very well. If the meta game switches around maybe we will see more of him but right now it is a game of who can do X thing the best.
Pick up Kennen. A good Kennen player will almost never lose top.
Definitely Kennen. Apart from Kennen and Vlad, the only other viable ranged top that I'm actually aware of is Kayle, which Dyrus uses. Teemo isn't really seen anymore and the ranged AD top serves only as a counterpick.
Cassio. Her damage allows her to go top lane and outrange/zone the enemy because really who wants to eat her DPS?
Blue side she has easy access to her blue, Purple she has to invade.
Also Swain is very good toplane. He has the sustain when he hits 6 to stay in, same with Cass getting Revolver.
Later when I'm home I will make a spoilered post with the info on new champs for those who don't want to hunt.
Blue side she has easy access to her blue, Purple she has to invade.
Also Swain is very good toplane. He has the sustain when he hits 6 to stay in, same with Cass getting Revolver.
Later when I'm home I will make a spoilered post with the info on new champs for those who don't want to hunt.
Kennen, Swain, Vlad are the three most common AP based ranged top laners. The reason for this is their lack of mana use and in Swain's case, a mana-sustaining passive as well as three ranged spells that threaten melee champions. Rumble is also AP based but is more about sticking to his target if you want to play a mage. His ult does incredible damage but it requires some getting used to early.
Corki and Graves are also viable top if you don't want to use AP based champs as much.
Corki and Graves are also viable top if you don't want to use AP based champs as much.
why would you do leblanc top
You know, if you actually play the champion, you'd know how Wither works. I literally just tested this in game and both my MS and AS went down.
And how many of those champions actually have an additional attack speed/move speed slow that include those in their core items? Darius's W and either one, Lee Sin's E and Randuins, Malphite's E and Q and both those items. That's it outside of hard CC. How many of those have a gap closer? Lee Sin and Malphite. You're asking for a tanky dps gap closer that reduces attack speed/move speed that builds Frozen Heart/Randuins. How many of those actually exist?
Even if they had a gap closer to get closer to the enemy AD carry, Nasus's Wither is still a lot more effective. Because of it's retarded uptime (75% at 40% CDR), it's going to be affecting the enemy AD carry a lot more than a stun or knockup will. Let's say J4's knockup, which has a 6 second cooldown on his Q assuming no CDR, which means with some CDR you'll have at max 2 chances to knock up on the same E. The DPS loss from Wither outweighs a 1 second knockup. To give you a sense, let's say the average AD carry has 1.6 AS. Frozen Heart on Nasus along with the first tick of Wither brings that down to 0.83. For 5 seconds, you've decreased their DPS by over 1/2. How many other champions can claim to do that?
Let's say you're a 1.4 attack speed Irelia or so. If you activate your W and you get off all 6 seconds of consecutive auto attacks, you'll deal a grand total of 630 extra true damage. Your cooldown for that? 9 seconds. The most common form of CDR on Irelia is none, but let's say Frozen Heart. Even then, it's 7.2 seconds. When focusing down the enemy AD carry, I'd much rather have consistent 500 or even 400 damage Q's on him that get boosted by his ultimate. Against tanks, Irelia's true damage isn't going to do much to 3k HP and both Nasus and Irelia have to build Last Whisper if they want to get past 200+ armor, but I'd rather have Wither to keep off the enemy tank from my AD carry over Equilibrium Strike.
Of course it won't be because an AD carry is designed to scale incredibly well with items and do the damage late game. That's like saying "man I expected by train to be as fast as an airplane!" It doesn't work.
LB top is bad, mid is her best lane because other mids are usually also-squishy so easy kills and from mid she can roam into enemy jungle or to the other two lanes to gank. Her positioning to snowball/roam is best mid.
Anyway, first of all, Cassiopeia is getting a new skin! Theme is Greek, so probably Medusa Cass, maybe Hydra (but she has Siren already) so most likely Medusa.
I'll hide tag the new champ info in case someone doesn't want to know??
Anyway, first of all, Cassiopeia is getting a new skin! Theme is Greek, so probably Medusa Cass, maybe Hydra (but she has Siren already) so most likely Medusa.
I'll hide tag the new champ info in case someone doesn't want to know??
Jayce video of skills:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIdUV3AH7bE
Not much to say.
New champs:
Dark Sovereign
Speculated identity: Kassadin's daughter, MAYBE Kog'Dad
SS: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SHqm8xNTIyM/T-lLsERbdII/AAAAAAAACR0/od8rSd-Q3Zg/s1600/darksov.png
Skills: Void Ballad, Q Missile (?), Nova
She also has all the files for how her model reacts when hit by other champions' abilities (Lux's passive, Dark Binding, etc)
I only play female non-Yordles and Void monsters so I'm really excited for her. Time 2 save 6300IP again z.z
This is likely a working name for her but she is probably Kass' daughter. I think she would be a big candidate for the next Pulsefire treatment in that her changes from leveling ult go from how she looked pre-Void to some sort of ascended Void queen. Riot pls
Diana
Speculated identity: Leona's arch-enemy and lunar/moon equivalent as hinted by IronStylus
SS: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kzIe9uYiIdc/T-lLvjhHiaI/AAAAAAAACR8/ZkANJG4dxrY/s1600/diana.png
Skills: Penumbra, Moonlight Sword, Lunari Pulse, something lance-related
IronStylus has been hinting there is a rival/enemy to Leona in the works, and Diana seems to share a lot of similar skills, as well as being moon-themed, the opposite of sun.
It's unknown just how similar these skills are to Leona's (Morg and Lux?) but she seems to be a melee champion judging from the sword and lance aspects. I buy, save more IP.
Xara
Speculated identity: Morello's female nature mage/druid
SS: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ef98ntggTMk/T-lLyW61XbI/AAAAAAAACSE/KfsSMCt7nhY/s320/xara.png
Skills: Twilight/Vine ? it's hard to tell what her skills are
She has a lot of nature-themed files, so it's likely she is Morello's nature champ.
If I like her design and skill set I'll probably save for her as well.
Seth
Speculated identity: Egyptian sand-based champion
SS: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-76GeFMnSvHg/T-lL1wlmRWI/AAAAAAAACSM/kFmN0FqlX78/s1600/seth.png
Skills: Sandstorm (Missile), Sand Pool ?
His file is kind of small and mostly just sand-related things. Ezreal mentioned here that the next Egyptian champion would not be based off a god like Renek and Susan but would make things dry, so it's speculated this is him.
Hexmage and Teek
Speculated identity: None and post-stealth-rework champion
SS: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-34xdv0kb9vo/T-lL9vn7nSI/AAAAAAAACSU/rjcBMzlLLUs/s1600/hex.png and http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UFIJRc8IUfc/T-lMCMjSi9I/AAAAAAAACSc/xoUAmqmwX2A/s1600/tee.png
Skills: None and Infest/Invisiblity
Teek seems kind of like another Twitch, but there's really not much there for either of these and Hexmage might not even be a legit champion, someone speculated it was a Viktor passive change.
I'll update with any new strong speculations or details that crop up for this new batch of champs, found in PBE files.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIdUV3AH7bE
Not much to say.
New champs:
Dark Sovereign
Speculated identity: Kassadin's daughter, MAYBE Kog'Dad
SS: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SHqm8xNTIyM/T-lLsERbdII/AAAAAAAACR0/od8rSd-Q3Zg/s1600/darksov.png
Skills: Void Ballad, Q Missile (?), Nova
She also has all the files for how her model reacts when hit by other champions' abilities (Lux's passive, Dark Binding, etc)
I only play female non-Yordles and Void monsters so I'm really excited for her. Time 2 save 6300IP again z.z
This is likely a working name for her but she is probably Kass' daughter. I think she would be a big candidate for the next Pulsefire treatment in that her changes from leveling ult go from how she looked pre-Void to some sort of ascended Void queen. Riot pls
Diana
Speculated identity: Leona's arch-enemy and lunar/moon equivalent as hinted by IronStylus
SS: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kzIe9uYiIdc/T-lLvjhHiaI/AAAAAAAACR8/ZkANJG4dxrY/s1600/diana.png
Skills: Penumbra, Moonlight Sword, Lunari Pulse, something lance-related
IronStylus has been hinting there is a rival/enemy to Leona in the works, and Diana seems to share a lot of similar skills, as well as being moon-themed, the opposite of sun.
It's unknown just how similar these skills are to Leona's (Morg and Lux?) but she seems to be a melee champion judging from the sword and lance aspects. I buy, save more IP.
Xara
Speculated identity: Morello's female nature mage/druid
SS: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ef98ntggTMk/T-lLyW61XbI/AAAAAAAACSE/KfsSMCt7nhY/s320/xara.png
Skills: Twilight/Vine ? it's hard to tell what her skills are
She has a lot of nature-themed files, so it's likely she is Morello's nature champ.
If I like her design and skill set I'll probably save for her as well.
Seth
Speculated identity: Egyptian sand-based champion
SS: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-76GeFMnSvHg/T-lL1wlmRWI/AAAAAAAACSM/kFmN0FqlX78/s1600/seth.png
Skills: Sandstorm (Missile), Sand Pool ?
His file is kind of small and mostly just sand-related things. Ezreal mentioned here that the next Egyptian champion would not be based off a god like Renek and Susan but would make things dry, so it's speculated this is him.
Hexmage and Teek
Speculated identity: None and post-stealth-rework champion
SS: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-34xdv0kb9vo/T-lL9vn7nSI/AAAAAAAACSU/rjcBMzlLLUs/s1600/hex.png and http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UFIJRc8IUfc/T-lMCMjSi9I/AAAAAAAACSc/xoUAmqmwX2A/s1600/tee.png
Skills: None and Infest/Invisiblity
Teek seems kind of like another Twitch, but there's really not much there for either of these and Hexmage might not even be a legit champion, someone speculated it was a Viktor passive change.
I'll update with any new strong speculations or details that crop up for this new batch of champs, found in PBE files.
Don't let her fool you, Orianna has one of the highest skill caps in the game.
To summarize:
Nasus: Bad for competitive play, outclassed by just about everything.
Viable ranged tops: Vlad, Kennen, Swain, kayle, Graves, Corki, Nidalee
Don't you dare take Cassio, Morg, Ahri, etc.. top unless your lanes have swapped for some godawful reason.
Well if i was facing a counter lane as a solo top and cassiopeia or morg or something was able to do better against them then i'd definitely want to have them swapped (although i'm not a pro or even level 30 so maybe there's some reason for 100% not doing this that I don't know about), and i don't view that as a godawful reason :/
I also tried Orianna and she seems really really fun but i couldn't get the angles for the return on the ball with the Command: Protect right ever and it seemed like there were a lot of little things like that that would take a lot of practice and I change champions so much that I'd never get that.
Fizz is also really fun, but is there a way to not die after you jump in and destroy their AD carry? It's quite frustrating having so much burst then only being able to do it once per teamfight :(
I also tried Orianna and she seems really really fun but i couldn't get the angles for the return on the ball with the Command: Protect right ever and it seemed like there were a lot of little things like that that would take a lot of practice and I change champions so much that I'd never get that.
Fizz is also really fun, but is there a way to not die after you jump in and destroy their AD carry? It's quite frustrating having so much burst then only being able to do it once per teamfight :(
Fizz needs to exploit openings; the initial burst should be enough to take out a squishy but you HAVE to save your E or your Q to escape unless their AD is hideously out of position. Either E in during the ultimate and land for huge AoE damage, poke someone to apply your DoT, then Q out to the farthest enemy to escape, or R-Q their squishy, take them out, then use your E to escape. If you're dying too quickly every teamfight, you're probably not saving skills to escape and instead using them all for maximum damage output.
that's weird as shit
this is unrelated but riot seems really obsessed with making the champs in bot games fit whatever random categories they threw onto them, even when they change their builds
when i play bot games, I always see Nidalee/Morgana bot? Just cuz they weirdly have Morg listed as a support and nid listed as a carry? But then nid still builds AP and so does Morg, so it's like... guys...
this is unrelated but riot seems really obsessed with making the champs in bot games fit whatever random categories they threw onto them, even when they change their builds
when i play bot games, I always see Nidalee/Morgana bot? Just cuz they weirdly have Morg listed as a support and nid listed as a carry? But then nid still builds AP and so does Morg, so it's like... guys...
If you're facing a counter lane top, there's no reason to drag your AP carry down with you. Let them push to your tower and then procced to last hit under tower, make sure your jungler knows that they are being very aggressive and help him clear out wards. If it comes down to something like Kassadin middle Vs. Karthus, then play the switching game.
Another thing you can do is swap your bottom and top lanes, that can be very effective as well.
The bots aren't very bright.
The bots were recently switched to not go to their established lanes anymore. It was on PBE before and was in the patch.
It used to be AP goes mid, ranged AD always goes bot, two "melee" champs go top, and a champ Riot designates as "support" goes bot. Now they just go wherever. You can tell where they go though: on loading screen, Bots 1 & 4 are bot, 2 & 5 are top, 3 is mid.
It used to be AP goes mid, ranged AD always goes bot, two "melee" champs go top, and a champ Riot designates as "support" goes bot. Now they just go wherever. You can tell where they go though: on loading screen, Bots 1 & 4 are bot, 2 & 5 are top, 3 is mid.
what the hell that's such a dumb change
like
i play bot games so i can practice playing league of legends in a realisitc environment without the stress and pressure of a real game
so when they make changes that make it less realistic (e.g. sending morg/nid bot or randomizing lanes), it really takes away from it, because it's not really useful at all as practice
like
i play bot games so i can practice playing league of legends in a realisitc environment without the stress and pressure of a real game
so when they make changes that make it less realistic (e.g. sending morg/nid bot or randomizing lanes), it really takes away from it, because it's not really useful at all as practice
Practicing against bots doesn't make you any better, use bot games to work on mechanics such as Last hitting. The experience you gain from playing against actual opponents is what will make you a better player.
If you can't play under stress and pressure then that is the exact kind of environment you need to be practicing in.
If you can't play under stress and pressure then that is the exact kind of environment you need to be practicing in.