Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

[tblakey89]

The Legendary Birds (Pre-Elite Four)

The legendary birds are handled as Method 1 Pokémon, but the PID and IVs for all three of them are created at one time using. Moltres is on frame 1, Zapdos is on frame 6, and Articuno is on frame 11. Please note that all RNG advancement must be done immediately before releasing the birds, as the Nature and IVs are created at that time.

Moltres
Frame: 1

Zapdos
Frame: 6

Articuno
Frame: 11

The Legendary Birds (Post E4)

Once you have beaten the Elite Four you may speak with Professor Oak and he will re-release any birds which have not already been captured. The remaining birds will be regenerated in the same order as they were originally (Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno). If none were captured they will appear on Frames 1, 6, and 11. If one was captured the remaining birds will appear on Frames 1 and 6. If two were captured the remaining bird will appear on Frame 1.

I have been trying to understand what this is saying, is it possible to capture the legendary birds before beating the elite 4?

I am trying to RNG for the legendary birds, but at least when i talk to professor oak all three are released at once, so i quess i will have to choose one and RNG for that, and not RNG for the other 2, if that is right?

I have beaten the elite 4 once, but not the second time where they have higher levels and stuff, if that is what the OP is reffering to by the Pre and Post elite 4?

 

[palkiaqua]

I read LF's guide to pokeradar abuse, but I don't know if I should find the seed through Method J or 1, or if I'm taking the wrong approach.

Also, when I use RNG reporter to find a particular spread, right clicking gives the option of finding out encounter slots. What exactly are the encounter slots? Could someone explain the relevance? It takes me to an html page and lists a bunch of table corresponding to certain areas where wild pokemon are found, but what do the numbers next to the pokemon's name mean? Are they the number of journal flips, how many times the frame needs to be advanced, etc?

 

[Sudo]

The OP is a bit misleading in its wording. You simply need to obtain the National Dex (and fulfill the prerequisites for that, naturally) before Oak will release the birds. This means that for a specific spread you'll only be able to RNG manipulate one of the birds; however, you can knock out the other two you didn't aim for, defeat the Elite Four, and Oak can release the remaining birds again. You can repeat this process as many times as long as you knock out the bird(s) you want to RNG for.

I read LF's guide to pokeradar abuse, but I don't know if I should find the seed through Method J or 1, or if I'm taking the wrong approach.

Also, when I use RNG reporter to find a particular spread, right clicking gives the option of finding out encounter slots. What exactly are the encounter slots? Could someone explain the relevance? It takes me to an html page and lists a bunch of table corresponding to certain areas where wild pokemon are found, but what do the numbers next to the pokemon's name mean? Are they the number of journal flips, how many times the frame needs to be advanced, etc?

You search for Method J spreads if you're planning to use the Radar for RNG abuse (just don't get the idea of abusing shiny patches for now :P).

Encounter slots simply tell you what species of Pokemon will appear when you hit the correct delay and frame of that spread, and corresponds with the numbers you found on those html pages.

 

[palkiaqua]

I read LF's guide to pokeradar abuse, but I don't know if I should find the seed through Method J or 1, or if I'm taking the wrong approach.

Also, when I use RNG reporter to find a particular spread, right clicking gives the option of finding out encounter slots. What exactly are the encounter slots? Could someone explain the relevance? It takes me to an html page and lists a bunch of table corresponding to certain areas where wild pokemon are found, but what do the numbers next to the pokemon's name mean? Are they the number of journal flips, how many times the frame needs to be advanced, etc?

Sorry, just figured out what encounter slots are. Okay, so here's an exampe:

I want a flawless ditto through pokeradar. I decide to use wichu's program to find a seed:
1. find seed quickly through wichu's guide
2. convert to d/p/pt by using rng reporter AND under method J
3. Resulting seed from rng reporter gives me a bunch of frames, I choose to use 71 for my frame
4. right click to find encounter slot
5. for route 218, i find 4 values for ditto, i choose to use 11.

My question here is what should my frame be to find ditto after I SR. Is it 71 from the RNG reporter listing or 11 from the encounter slot page?

 

[mingot]

From the first page:

On any method J frame right click and select "Calculate Encounter Slots". It will do all of the work for you and provide links to charts so that you can look up what monster appears on which frame. Unless you are interested in the low level details you may skip all of the information below.

 

[all4game]

Trying to get another Flygon since the last one was just luck.
Going for naughty 30/31/31/30/31/31.

Finally hit my seed (had to use emloop).
Finally chained a trapinch without going over my desired frame, like I had done the two previous times.

Was going for frame 1327, actual frame was 96. Took 11 steps and turns to get to the sparkling patch. I wasn't sure how many patches moved so I went with 1, and found a frame that repeated (1327 = 1329 = 1331). Calculated the journal flips to be 653.

I didn't have two adjacent pages with caught/defeated pokemon, so I actually had to do 1306.
Did them very carefully.

Finally walked to the sparkly patch, making sure to do the right amount of turns and not taking a step forward without turning to accidentally advance it more.

A trapinch appeared.
It was modest.
19/26/19/12/19/19.
Frame 1439.
=/

 

[palkiaqua]

From the first page:

On any method J frame right click and select "Calculate Encounter Slots". It will do all of the work for you and provide links to charts so that you can look up what monster appears on which frame. Unless you are interested in the low level details you may skip all of the information below.

Sorry, posted too early. Okay, so the encounter slots give you specific frames the specific pokemon will appear on. So say I have an encounter slot of 11, and I'm RNG abusing through poke radar. Do I have to advance the frame to 11 b/f using the pokeradar (after SRing) or use the pokeradar first then advance, then walk up to the patch to reach an advancement to frame11?

 

[Sudo]

A trapinch appeared.
It was modest.
19/26/19/12/19/19.
Frame 1439.
=/

Well, you said so yourself you didn't catch how many patches appeared, so you were gambling from the start. Just try it again and be more careful this time (the frame went way over your target, though; you sure there aren't any malicious NPCs in the route? :P)

Sorry, posted too early. Okay, so the encounter slots give you specific frames the specific pokemon will appear on. So say I have an encounter slot of 11, and I'm RNG abusing through poke radar. Do I have to advance the frame to 11 b/f using the pokeradar (after SRing) or use the pokeradar first then advance, then walk up to the patch to reach an advancement to frame11?

No. You right click on a specific spread (which already has the frame you need to hit for it to appear), see the encounter slot, and match that number with with provided links for the game you're using. Say you're trying to catch Shinx on Route 202. The encounter slot for the spread you want says it is 0. You match that number with what is on the chart, and lo and behold for route 202, it shows:

0 - Shinx

Therefore, if you hit your frame and delay on Route 203, for that spread a Shinx will appear.

 

[palkiaqua]

Well, you said so yourself you didn't catch how many patches appeared, so you were gambling from the start. Just try it again and be more careful this time (the frame went way over your target, though; you sure there aren't any malicious NPCs in the route? :P)



No. You right click on a specific spread (which already has the frame you need to hit for it to appear), see the encounter slot, and match that number with with provided links for the game you're using. Say you're trying to catch Shinx on Route 202. The encounter slot for the spread you want says it is 0. You match that number with what is on the chart, and lo and behold for route 202, it shows:

0 - Shinx

Therefore, if you hit your frame and delay on Route 203, for that spread a Shinx will appear.

Okay, I'm confused about the chart, so could you clear this up for me? Is the "chart" the window that pops up when you right click the spread (called encounter slots) or the html page you're taken to? Also, when you right click on the specific spread, the encounter slots you're given cntn only sweet scented pokemon and fishing pokemon.
Does the encounter slot tell you what action to perform to continue progressing after you hit your seed/delay? Like use sweet scent and see if the right pokemon appear?
The problem I face is that I want to do pokeradar, so how does the encounter slot apply if pokeradar is independant of sweet scent? Do I do sweet scent (remember, this is just an example), see it the right pokemon appears, then use pokeradar?

Thanks for any explanation.

 

[LightningFusion]

Okay, I'm confused about the chart, so could you clear this up for me? Is the "chart" the window that pops up when you right click the spread (called encounter slots) or the html page you're taken to? Also, when you right click on the specific spread, the encounter slots you're given cntn only sweet scented pokemon and fishing pokemon.
Does the encounter slot tell you what action to perform to continue progressing after you hit your seed/delay? Like use sweet scent and see if the right pokemon appear?
The problem I face is that I want to do pokeradar, so how does the encounter slot apply if pokeradar is independant of sweet scent? Do I do sweet scent (remember, this is just an example), see it the right pokemon appears, then use pokeradar?

Thanks for any explanation.

The fact that you are having trouble understaind encounter slots themselves leads me to believe you will not be successful with pokeradar.

The slot under sweet scent is what pokemon corresponding to the table that opens will show up. Sweet scenting encounter slot is also used for pokeradar encounter slot.

 

[Sudo]

Okay, I'm confused about the chart, so could you clear this up for me? Is the "chart" the window that pops up when you right click the spread (called encounter slots) or the html page you're taken to?

The charts (or tables) I'm referring to are those found on the web page.

Also, when you right click on the specific spread, the encounter slots you're given contain only sweet scented pokemon and fishing pokemon.
Does the encounter slot tell you what action to perform to continue progressing after you hit your seed/delay? Like use sweet scent and see if the right pokemon appear?
The problem I face is that I want to do pokeradar, so how does the encounter slot apply if pokeradar is independant of sweet scent? Do I do sweet scent (remember, this is just an example), see it the right pokemon appears, then use pokeradar?

Quality user LightningFusion has posted a nice guide in this thread, which I'll link to for reference.

I quote:

The pokemon for the patch is based off the same as the Sweet scent encounter slot. The pokemon radar slot for the encounter slots does not always get the radar pokemon. As of right now, I am unsure what determines if it will be the radar pokemon or not, but the best odds to get your target radar pokemon and the right frame, is to catch one first, getting you a chain of one.

You're better off reading the rest of the guide if you haven't done so, and come back with any unresolved questions then.

 

[all4game]

Well, you said so yourself you didn't catch how many patches appeared, so you were gambling from the start. Just try it again and be more careful this time (the frame went way over your target, though; you sure there aren't any malicious NPCs in the route? :P)

Checked the NPC's they don't move. Except the one in the top left who I got with the VS seeker.
I could only be off by 6 at the most because of not knowing how many patches showed up.
Although I do believe I did the math wrong when calculating journal flips...
I should have only done 608. Not sure how I managed to mess that up, I did it on a calculator lol. But even so, I'm still a little bit off...
I think I was suppose to end up with frame 1417 with 653 flips.

 

[palkiaqua]

Thanks LF and Sudo, I actually have read LF's post on pokeradar a lot, but I must be blind to miss that critical point. I'll try a few trial/error attempts, then see if I'm still stuck.
You guys are really patient here!

 

[TheCommander]

So I am using an AR for the fast hatch cheat. I get a delay of 629 and 26 seconds. Can I use those numbers? I can RNG without the AR but hatching these larvitar takes forever...

Basically, I want to know if when I hit my minute, do flip the power and power back on to the AR screen and then hit start as fast as I can? Or does the clock start when I hit the start button on the AR?

 

[riddlinkid]

So I am using an AR for the fast hatch cheat. I get a delay of 629 and 26 seconds. Can I use those numbers? I can RNG without the AR but hatching these larvitar takes forever...

Basically, I want to know if when I hit my minute, do flip the power and power back on to the AR screen and then hit start as fast as I can? Or does the clock start when I hit the start button on the AR?

Synch your clocks at the minute before, and hit start on the AR screen at :00 of the minute you want for your target. Usually my seconds are 14 without AR, with it it is 16 seconds. So maybe just try adding two seconds to your normal number and search for a spread there. It could be different though, you'll just have to experiment with it on your own.

 

[all4game]

Trying to get another Flygon since the last one was just luck.
Going for naughty 30/31/31/30/31/31.

Finally hit my seed (had to use emloop).
Finally chained a trapinch without going over my desired frame, like I had done the two previous times.

Was going for frame 1327, actual frame was 96. Took 11 steps and turns to get to the sparkling patch. I wasn't sure how many patches moved so I went with 1, and found a frame that repeated (1327 = 1329 = 1331). Calculated the journal flips to be 653.

I didn't have two adjacent pages with caught/defeated pokemon, so I actually had to do 1306.
Did them very carefully.

Finally walked to the sparkly patch, making sure to do the right amount of turns and not taking a step forward without turning to accidentally advance it more.

A trapinch appeared.
It was modest.
19/26/19/12/19/19.
Frame 1439.
=/

Checked the NPC's they don't move. Except the one in the top left who I got with the VS seeker.
I could only be off by 6 at the most because of not knowing how many patches showed up.
Although I do believe I did the math wrong when calculating journal flips...
I should have only done 608. Not sure how I managed to mess that up, I did it on a calculator lol. But even so, I'm still a little bit off...
I think I was suppose to end up with frame 1417 with 653 flips.

Can anyone provide insight on what may have gone wrong other than the journal flips?

 

[Dea]

Can anyone provide insight on what may have gone wrong other than the journal flips?

Sorry, but RNG chaining abuse makes me want to run for the hills.

Wouldn't it be easier to breed a shiny trapinch with the nature and IV's you want? You may have to do a bit of chain breeding to get parents with the good IV's were they should be, but after that it's a breeze. First you use the Time Finder - Shinny Egg to make your shiny egg with the right nature gender and ability, then you use the Time Finder - Egg IV's for perfect IV's.

 

[all4game]

Sorry, but RNG chaining abuse makes me want to run for the hills.

Wouldn't it be easier to breed a shiny trapinch with the nature and IV's you want? You may have to do a bit of chain breeding to get parents with the good IV's were they should be, but after that it's a breeze. First you use the Time Finder - Shinny Egg to make your shiny egg with the right nature gender and ability, then you use the Time Finder - Egg IV's for perfect IV's.

Mhm, I know how to do it, but I like the challenge (sort of lol) and I want one in a nest ball.

 

[Misdreavus]

Since this is supposedly for all generations now, I suppose this would be the place to ask... does anyone have any idea when we'll be getting that info on the FR/LG RNG, or where it is if it's already up?

 

[Sudo]

Can anyone provide insight on what may have gone wrong other than the journal flips?

It seems to be just the journal flips. You've seem to forgotten to take into account the actual frame in your calculations.

~Calculations for journal flip

Target frame - Actual frame - Steps advancement - Radar advancement - 6

If this number is odd, you have to do an extra turn while walking to your patch. If even, divide by 2 for the amount of journal flips.

The -6 is from 5 for battling and 1 for the monster frame.

You hit frame 1439, so

1439 = 96 (actual frame) + (11*2) (step advancement) + (653*2) (what you said was your journal advancement) + R (unknown radar advancement) + 6 (battling a pokemon)

1439 = 96 + 22 + 1306 +6 + R
1439 = 1430 + R
9 = R

Radar advancement has only even frames though, so you must've taken an extra turn, had a roamer, or something else. In that case, there had to have been 3 patches that appeared. Mystery solved, be more diligent on your next attempt. :P

Since this is supposedly for all generations now, I suppose this would be the place to ask... does anyone have any idea when we'll be getting that info on the FR/LG RNG, or where it is if it's already up?

I know that user NeoSyrex (or someone like that) has claimed to know how to manipulate FRLG's RNG, but is keeping mum on the subject. Besides that, there's not much indication of any public useful information.

 

[timetwister]

Sorry if this is in the wrong thread, I couldn't figure out if this should be here or in the Simple Requests thread, but does anyone know a good online stopwatch for use with Emerald abuse, the one that I've been using is not accurate as I've been getting spreads that are around a second too early from what the stopwatch says I'm at. Thanks!

 

[all4game]

It seems to be just the journal flips. You've seem to forgotten to take into account the actual frame in your calculations.



You hit frame 1439, so

1439 = 96 (actual frame) + (11*2) (step advancement) + (653*2) (what you said was your journal advancement) + R (unknown radar advancement) + 6 (battling a pokemon)

1439 = 96 + 22 + 1306 +6 + R
1439 = 1430 + R
9 = R

Radar advancement has only even frames though, so you must've taken an extra turn, had a roamer, or something else. In that case, there had to have been 3 patches that appeared. Mystery solved, be more diligent on your next attempt. :P

Why are you multiplying the step advancement by two? I didn't know I was supposed to do that? I'm 100% sure I did not make an extra turn, and that I don't have a roamer.

I may try again later tonight, hopefully I'll get a better result. XD

 

[Sudo]

Why are you multiplying the step advancement by two? I didn't know I was supposed to do that? I'm 100% sure I did not make an extra turn, and that I don't have a roamer.

I may try again later tonight, hopefully I'll get a better result. XD

Huh, I thought when you said you took 11 steps and turns, I thought you meant 11 steps and 11 turns (like LFusion recommends in his guide), so that'd naturally be 22 frame advancements. In the case of the one extra frame... I have no clue really. Good luck on your next attempt!

 

[all4game]

Huh, I thought when you said you took 11 steps and turns, I thought you meant 11 steps and 11 turns (like LFusion recommends in his guide), so that'd naturally be 22 frame advancements. In the case of the one extra frame... I have no clue really. Good luck on your next attempt!

Nah I meant 11 total, sorry for confusion.
Thanks for the help.

 

[Dark-Ryu]

Is it possible to have a SID of 2 digits o.o?
Cause my brothers game has 23 as sid =/