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Yeah, that's the thing, though. At least Spearow/Fearow and Starly/Staraptor share common traits. Mamepato is very, very clearly based on a pigeon as Wargle is very clearly based on an eagle. The other lines blurred the differences well enough. I just can't picture those two clearly defined species being related to each other, is all.

Errr... that was sort of my second point. That while in Pokemon a pigeon could easily evolve into an eagle and not be unusual or strange, Mamepato (and Hatohpoh) and Wargle are not alike in any way so evolution between the two is pretty improbable.
 
Vappy's sprite is mirrored but it is the Pt sprite. Thank God they used its best sprite, DP sprite and HGSS sprite were horrid. >_>

also considering the eeveelutions got 3 new sprites each last gen, I don't blame them for reusing theirs. But Hoenn pokemon all need new sprites, and I hope a bulk of old pokemon get better ones.

Leafeon's sprite is also a copy of DP.

Also, about Hoenn, I agree. Some sprites, like Groudon and Ludicolo, became horrible.

Besides, common sense dictates that a pigeon wouldn't evolve into an eagle anyway..

Wingull and Pelipper, but GF is hooked on marijuana. I agree with you.
 
my bets on Mamepato evolving into Swana i means their both getting the same ability's and one of them is brand new to gen 5 it makes sense.
 
Maybe if Keen Eye do something more useful (in competitive battle) than just preventing Accuracy from lowering. Just like Sturdy, it needs a change.

Again, this is the non-competitive player suggesting adjustments to balance the competitive meta-game, but...

Ability: Keen Eye
This Pokémon's base accuracy for any move is increased by [10-30%]. [In addition, this Pokémon's accuracy is further increased during a Fog weather effect.] This Pokémon's accuracy cannot be lowered.

That's what I've been thinking about, trying to maintain the same basic idea/theme while providing some competitive uses. The bracketed items indicate abilities that are under consideration or number values that would be adjusted via playtesting. (I mentioned the Fog effect in case Fog is ever redesigned to be a weather effect.)

Speaking of some other "useless" abilities:

Ability: Run Away
This Pokémon can be switched out regardless of trapping mechanics such as Mean Look or Arena Trap. In addition, this Pokémon can also escape any wild battle without fail.

Ability: Pickup
This Pokémon has a chance [at the end of a turn] of "recycling" its consumed hold item. In addition, this Pokémon will randomly find and hold items outside of battle.

And of course, as has been suggested many a time:

Ability: Illuminate
Upon switching in, this Pokémon lowers the Special Attack of all opposing Pokémon by one level. In addition, if this Pokémon is at the head of your party, your Pokémon encounter rate is increased to 200%.
 
my bets on Mamepato evolving into Swana i means their both getting the same ability's and one of them is brand new to gen 5 it makes sense.

Pigeon into swan? Granted we have Wingull into Pelipper, and Spearow into Fearow, but those Pokemon shared some physical traits.

They don't even look similar.

I don't think it is likely.
 
Yes, please. Those poor golems want some love.

Solid Rock Regirock
Heatproof Registeel
Filter Regice

252 HP / 252 Sp def / 4 def Careful Solid Rock Regirock in the sand and with +1 Curse takes...

+0 Adamant LO Lucario Close Combat: 37.09% - 43.68%
+2 Adamant LO Lucario Close Combat: 73.35% - 86.81%
Specs Modest Heatran Earth Power: 32.14% - 37.91%
Scarf Timid Heatran Earth Power: 19.78% - 23.35%
LO Timid Celebi Leaf Storm: 48.63% - 57.97%
Lum Adamant Metagross Meteor Mash: 27.47% - 33.24%
+1 LO Adamant Dragonite Outrage: 42.86% - 50.55%


Curse Solid Rock Regirock. Oh shit. If Gamefreak gives Regirock that ability it will easily by OU.
 
Except for the fact that no one would really use Hydration over Water Absorb.

My thoughts exactly. Only way I can see it being effective.. to open up a moveslot rather than then 2 spot wish/protect. Was on a rain dance team.. so vaporeon can come in, take a hit or w/e.. rest it off.. then be able to Rest, Surf, Ice Beam, HP[Electric]/Toxic.
 
Hydration does have some use on Vaporeon. It is used as a staller and many people use status effects to hurt stallers. Since Vaporeon is really annoying to kill, Toxic is going to really doom it. With Hydration, Vaporeon can be used on a Rain Dance team and heal those status effects. You could create an annoying Rain Dance stall team and be creative for once.
 
holy crap vaporeon gets hydration BANHAMMER

With a base 65 Speed? What about the fact that an immunity to Water-type attacks is much more useful than becoming instant Tyranitar bait?

Also, why would anyone use Rain Dance to stall when sandstorm and hail are permanent weather conditions?
 
I dunno, the whole Hydration/Rest thing in the rain seems like a real good deal. It'll be a lot more offensive than Protect/Wish, with better healing and three slots for coverage.
 
Not to mention they don't really have a reason to hide their relationship.
Yeah..although cross-gen evolutions seem to be in this bizarre grey area, when evolutions of already revealed Pokemon are shown from within the same generation, they ALWAYS point out the evolutions. Muuna -> Musharna; Minezumi -> Mirruhoggu.

Besides not even Hatoopoo even vaguely resembles Swana &it would be dumb to remove Super Luck with.... Keen Eye. They just decided to give Pigeon Heart to things that aren't pigeons for some reason.

Guess that means it has a pigeon's determination I guess.
 
I dunno, the whole Hydration/Rest thing in the rain seems like a real good deal. It'll be a lot more offensive than Protect/Wish, with better healing and three slots for coverage.

Yeah but at that point, why wouldn't Ludicolo, or any Rain Dance sweeper for that matter, be more useful? IMO, the best set that Vaporeon can use with Hydration would be Rain Dance|Rest|Surf|Wish for RD support.
 
I think Hydration should stick to the lower tiers. Vaporeon has too many other options, and Tyranitar screws up anything it could possibly hope to accomplish.

Now, if Dewgong received a movepool upgrade this generation, perhaps a non-uber Hydration user would be viable.
 
Hydration does have some use on Vaporeon. It is used as a staller and many people use status effects to hurt stallers. Since Vaporeon is really annoying to kill, Toxic is going to really doom it. With Hydration, Vaporeon can be used on a Rain Dance team and heal those status effects. You could create an annoying Rain Dance stall team and be creative for once.

A rain dance stall team? Whatever floats your boat, but hail/sandstorm seem to be preferable.


I dunno, the whole Hydration/Rest thing in the rain seems like a real good deal. It'll be a lot more offensive than Protect/Wish, with better healing and three slots for coverage.

Yeah, but most Rain Dance sweepers have something in common. They have an offensive stat boosting move, and swift swim. Vaporeon with Hydration won't be a prime attacker. It could set up rain dance, but then you would probably just go for Wish since you want to get your sweepers in with as much health as possible. Hydration honestly isn't that great on Vaporeon, though it might have some niche uses.
 
A rain dance stall team? Whatever floats your boat, but hail/sandstorm seem to be preferable.
Except when they give offensive boosts to Sandstorm (the mole thing can raise its speed or attacking power in sand), which would make it even more unbalanced than it is right now. The only way to balance a sandstorm that has both offensive and defensive effects of THAT kind is probably to make more (permanent-) weather-changing pokemon or (my guess) make the weather-invoking moves permament, too.
Also, this whole dream world ability thing could bring Drizzle to OU.
 
Except when they give offensive boosts to Sandstorm (the mole thing can raise its speed or attacking power in sand), which would make it even more unbalanced than it is right now. The only way to balance a sandstorm that has both offensive and defensive effects of THAT kind is probably to make more (permanent-) weather-changing pokemon or (my guess) make the weather-invoking moves permament, too.
Also, this whole dream world ability thing could bring Drizzle to OU.
If it got too cheap, then the Drizzle user would be sent to Ubers and would rot as Kyogre would be more viable. Kingdra would see more use as it could smash the opposition with Swift Swim and Waterfall.
 
Except when they give offensive boosts to Sandstorm (the mole thing can raise its speed or attacking power in sand), which would make it even more unbalanced than it is right now. The only way to balance a sandstorm that has both offensive and defensive effects of THAT kind is probably to make more (permanent-) weather-changing pokemon or (my guess) make the weather-invoking moves permament, too.
Also, this whole dream world ability thing could bring Drizzle to OU.

Even if you gave Magikarp Drizzle, it would probably be sent to Uber. This has been discussed, please move on.
 
Yeah..although cross-gen evolutions seem to be in this bizarre grey area, when evolutions of already revealed Pokemon are shown from within the same generation, they ALWAYS point out the evolutions. Muuna -> Musharna; Minezumi -> Mirruhoggu.

Since when? Mamanbou and Luvdisc? Yeah...
 
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