You forgot to put it in the :Problem is, Prima is neutral to that which I really don't want
Ty
SV/Lokix
Nvm it doesn't work
You forgot to put it in the :Problem is, Prima is neutral to that which I really don't want
Ty
SV/Lokix
Nvm it doesn't work
Here's another report. First, a team (sample worthy perhaps? until the first ban wave?). I just used it the entire time on my climb to top 1:
View attachment 631399
lo kommo balance https://pokepast.es/be1fe3129f03415a
this replay shows how to pilot the team vs other balance
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9typesplit-2120059965-wbboan7xa0guwu36j557w6j9jma4z9rpw?p2
Notable meta developments and some thoughts:
There's no development, except that now I realize it's extremely uncompetitive. The way this meta plays out, darkrai almost never loses its boots, and given its bulk and the relevant psychic types , and the potency of defensive pivots (especially ), it gets a lot of opportunities to switch in. And whenever it does so, it gets to click ice beam (except for like one knock for each check early game). This becomes a viable wincon in balance vs balance, there's actually no opportunity cost in fishing for a freeze, and darkrai is splashable. The outcome of a freeze depends on the darkrai answer: is very likely to die, loses all of its longevity, doesn't check darkrai anymore. Please let's not have type split deteriorate like this - at least include darkrai in the first poll or whatever.
I've lost to last mon darkrai with my ~50% primarina due to ice beam freeze, unfortunately no replay.
See the replay earlier in this post and also this one: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9typesplit-2119859181-vg9kohq37cuxl6ba4ebplijayr3yk17pw
Zacian is broken with this new life orb set. idbp steel birds no longer survive the 2hko from cc, and mola scald is counterplay only 30% of the time. The only real counterplay is dondozo and balloon intact gholdengo, which zacian has to steel beam in order to break. Please ban.
Zacian @ Life Orb
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Steel Beam
- Tera Blast
+3 252 Atk Life Orb Tera Ground Zacian Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Skeledirge: 234-276 (56.7 - 66.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252 Atk Life Orb Zacian Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 227-269 (67.9 - 80.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tera Ground Zacian Steel Beam vs. 252 HP / 120+ Def Landorus-Therian: 328-386 (85.8 - 101%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
+3 252 Atk Life Orb Zacian Steel Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 296-350 (88.6 - 104.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
+3 252 Atk Life Orb Zacian Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zapdos: 213-252 (55.4 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
No development, I just realized it's broken and uncompetitive, please ban.
The ladder is filled with sylveon, mostly flame orb facade sets. There's not much to say, it's quite good IMO, the roles it provides are valuable: it checks various HO threats (like iron val, darkrai, chipped dnite etc), and it burns right through spdef unaclef fat:
252+ SpA Pixilate Sylveon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 207-244 (52.5 - 61.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I saw people use various sets, mostly belly drum and dd, notably all looking to abuse boomburst. Good mon. Incidentally, non-boomburst kommo is decent counterplay to these, thanks to soundproof. Thanks Dantheman1cool for this tip :)
I matched into one other person running this, (and i lost to them), but one is still great compared to day 1 when no one else brought volcanion. This mon is good, people, like, you should be using it more i think (2 of the teams i shared here both have good sets) also yes scald > steam eruption on spdef volcanion because pp reasons.
(tera opinion ahead)
There's a delicate balance in viabilities of all the playstyles, and IMO it's kept intact by tera. If tera were to be banned, overall, defensive mons would be significantly buffed, and offensive ones, especially on the physical side and with insufficient natural coverage, would be nerfed. The only way I see this play out is like so: certain mons like zacian and volcarona evade ban, and stall gets a piece banned (dondozo?).
It's consistent with the vision of the om (modern gen 3 but different execution from mg1/mg2) to ban tera, there's no arguing that. But the above outcome IMO would be much less fun and interactive/competitive than the current meta. There are a lot of threats to account for (compared to actual gen 3), and tera provides this intricate flexibility in defensive pivots that makes balance feel good to build and play. Once the blatantly broken abusers are banned, at least.
It should also be kept in mind that tera as a mechanic is heavily nerfed by the om restriction. I'll be open minded in regard to points in favor of tera ban that anyone actually
Here's another report. First, a team (sample worthy perhaps? until the first ban wave?). I just used it the entire time on my climb to top 1:
View attachment 631399
lo kommo balance https://pokepast.es/be1fe3129f03415a
this replay shows how to pilot the team vs other balance
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9typesplit-2120059965-wbboan7xa0guwu36j557w6j9jma4z9rpw?p2
Notable meta developments and some thoughts:
There's no development, except that now I realize it's extremely uncompetitive. The way this meta plays out, darkrai almost never loses its boots, and given its bulk and the relevant psychic types , and the potency of defensive pivots (especially ), it gets a lot of opportunities to switch in. And whenever it does so, it gets to click ice beam (except for like one knock for each check early game). This becomes a viable wincon in balance vs balance, there's actually no opportunity cost in fishing for a freeze, and darkrai is splashable. The outcome of a freeze depends on the darkrai answer: is very likely to die, loses all of its longevity, doesn't check darkrai anymore. Please let's not have type split deteriorate like this - at least include darkrai in the first poll or whatever.
I've lost to last mon darkrai with my ~50% primarina due to ice beam freeze, unfortunately no replay.
No development, I just realized it's broken and uncompetitive, please ban.
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:sv/lokix:
Darkrai | Volcarona | Walking Wake | Damp Rock | Iron Valiant | Zacian | Terastallization | |
SergioRules | Ban | Ban | No Ban | Ban | No Ban | No Ban | No Ban |
CompetitiveZero | Ban | Ban | No Ban | Ban | Ban | No Ban | No Ban |
As of the moment there are no sample teams since the meta is only a few weeks old, with some recent major bans. Unfortunately said bans also render the majority of teams that have been shared in the thread thus far illegal, but here are the ones that are still legal for you.are there sample teams anywhere?
pao balance (mostly used this one)
https://pokepast.es/4c214c6d4d1ea589
Incredibly biased but I do think that the Specs Raging Bolt one is very solid as I've been using it quite a lot with good results.
are there sample teams anywhere?
Samples are updated! Several teams that have been posted in this thread were added, as well as a few of my own that I have been waiting to share. I hope everyone continues to enjoy playing Type Split!Sample Teams
Mixed CM Valiant+Dice Kyurem by SergioRules
DD Hex Pult Sun by SergioRules
Samurott Offense by SergioRules
Double Dog+ Flame Orb Sylv by SergioRules
Lando+Prim Offense by competitiveZero
Specs Bolt Offense by Glory
Chien-Pao Balance by demirab1
Ok, take volcanion as an example. I'll explain briefly what it does and then what else it can be expected to do with just the addition of tera. By extension, this should put into perspective the loss of flexibility in case of tera ban, as those roles/qualities specifically have to be then fulfilled by teammates, or not and just be accepted as shortcomings of the team. The more of such shortcomings an average balance team has, the more matchup fishy the playstyle is inherently.could you give an example of how tera balances the metagame?
It's main thing is physical boomburst off a huge attack stat everything else is kinda malleable from there. Drain Punch gives sustain, Bulk Up gets you set up, Jet Punch is still valuable even off it's special attack (geez it has 106 special attack??) as a cleaning tool, Ice Beam hits pult which is the most common ghost in the tier, Taunt/Encore let's it function as a breaker, Flip Turn is a strong pivot still, and you could run it as a tera blast user though I'd advise against that tbh.I'm looking into trying out this meta, any tips for running Palafin-Hero?
I've also really enjoyed gargan but FYII'm really enjoying tera ghost spdef garganacl in this meta. It can't be hit super effectively on the physical side, basically only have to fear knock off coverage.
Been running this team. Almomola, clod, Garg is pretty hard to break and mixed kyub, mixed encore valiant and banded pult do quite well as instant offensive threats.
https://pokepast.es/dc52d7107be845e5
I've also really enjoyed gargan but FYI
Ghost types hit it on the physical side, including those using ghost Tblast which is alot of mons in this meta.
Amazing team tho and I'm glad you're having fun :)
After reaching rank 3 on the ladder, I think I will take a break from this metagame for a bit and post a full analysis of my team that got me there.I've been using some mons that I haven't heard about on this thread, and they seem to be doing pretty well.
https://pokepast.es/73feeea2e40ef9ba
It's an offense team with full phys + Sub Enamorus, SD Steel Beam Excadrill, and SD Toucannon. Toucannon in particular is really fun because you can burn stuff like Corviknight and actually beat it, plus Boomburst off of 120 attack isn't something to scoff at.
I've thought about Calyrex Shadow Rider and if it would be a healthy presence in the tier, but overall I think it would still be broken without ghost stab. There are many pokemon that use psychic + fairy moves and are pretty powerful, such as Hatterene and Espathra, due to its only answer being steel types. With a nasty plot + teammate support to remove steel types, its pretty capable of getting off one nasty plot and sweeping the rest of the team. Regarding steel types, specifically Scizor (which I haven't actually seen as often as you make it seem), Tera Fire can likely beat most of them. For priority, many of the priority users in the tier are actually special attackers (think primarina, sylveon, sucker punch, etc.) and Calyrex has 100 HP and 100 Spdef, which optionally paired with tera can make Calyrex shrug off most priority. Overall i dont see many ways to beat it without having to make crazy tera predictions and stack priority, or having to sack multiple teammates. It would probably be another Espathra case where tera and boosting caused it to be super unhealthy for the tier.Hey there I am an avid Type Split enjoyer and I'd like to argue the case of my client Calyrex Shadow much like Spectrier it's got a HUMONGOUS Special Attack stat and REALLY good speed like best in the tier....and that is all it has big scary numbers when in reality it's only stab is Psychic and that's been proven to be pretty atrocious as a standalone stab in the meta with huge threats like Hoopau, Scizor, and the VAST majority of Sucker Punch spammers being everywhere in the tier. For this reason I think Calyrex Shadow should be unbanned and tested for a week to prove if it's truly worthy of being banned that being said, I strongly believe it will not stay banned due to it being vastly over estimated it's got the potential to sweep but is easily murdered by a of the prio users. Now you might be thinking " Oh if it's weak to priority surely Tera can fix that issue right?" Well you're sorely mistaken because all of its usual best Tera Types Fairy, Fighting, Bug are not really helpful as both Fighting and Bug are physical so it can't make use of Tera Blast and Fairy is weak to the premier revenge killer in scizor so what's left? Dark surely works because it can gain dark stab in dark pulse well that's looping right back ti the scizor weakness that is now it's new favorite tool Vacuum Wave which is physical in this tier. With all of these factors HEAVILY stacked against Calyrex Shadow I truly believe that Calyrex Shadow should be a main stay in Type Split unless something major happens where it suddenly can use physical sets I don't think Calyrex Shadow will be all that great anyways case closed unban Caly Shadow
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Please don’t.Hey there I am an avid Type Split enjoyer and I'd like to argue the case of my client Calyrex Shadow much like Spectrier it's got a HUMONGOUS Special Attack stat and REALLY good speed like best in the tier....and that is all it has big scary numbers when in reality it's only stab is Psychic and that's been proven to be pretty atrocious as a standalone stab in the meta with huge threats like Hoopau, Scizor, and the VAST majority of Sucker Punch spammers being everywhere in the tier. For this reason I think Calyrex Shadow should be unbanned and tested for a week to prove if it's truly worthy of being banned that being said, I strongly believe it will not stay banned due to it being vastly over estimated it's got the potential to sweep but is easily murdered by a of the prio users. Now you might be thinking " Oh if it's weak to priority surely Tera can fix that issue right?" Well you're sorely mistaken because all of its usual best Tera Types Fairy, Fighting, Bug are not really helpful as both Fighting and Bug are physical so it can't make use of Tera Blast and Fairy is weak to the premier revenge killer in scizor so what's left? Dark surely works because it can gain dark stab in dark pulse well that's looping right back ti the scizor weakness that is now it's new favorite tool Vacuum Wave which is physical in this tier. With all of these factors HEAVILY stacked against Calyrex Shadow I truly believe that Calyrex Shadow should be a main stay in Type Split unless something major happens where it suddenly can use physical sets I don't think Calyrex Shadow will be all that great anyways case closed unban Caly Shadow
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Idt there are plans for any unban at this time, let alone Caly-shadow, simply put with numerous dark types also getting nerfed, such as gambitHey there I am an avid Type Split enjoyer and I'd like to argue the case of my client Calyrex Shadow much like Spectrier it's got a HUMONGOUS Special Attack stat and REALLY good speed like best in the tier....and that is all it has big scary numbers when in reality it's only stab is Psychic and that's been proven to be pretty atrocious as a standalone stab in the meta with huge threats like Hoopau, Scizor, and the VAST majority of Sucker Punch spammers being everywhere in the tier. For this reason I think Calyrex Shadow should be unbanned and tested for a week to prove if it's truly worthy of being banned that being said, I strongly believe it will not stay banned due to it being vastly over estimated it's got the potential to sweep but is easily murdered by a of the prio users. Now you might be thinking " Oh if it's weak to priority surely Tera can fix that issue right?" Well you're sorely mistaken because all of its usual best Tera Types Fairy, Fighting, Bug are not really helpful as both Fighting and Bug are physical so it can't make use of Tera Blast and Fairy is weak to the premier revenge killer in scizor so what's left? Dark surely works because it can gain dark stab in dark pulse well that's looping right back ti the scizor weakness that is now it's new favorite tool Vacuum Wave which is physical in this tier. With all of these factors HEAVILY stacked against Calyrex Shadow I truly believe that Calyrex Shadow should be a main stay in Type Split unless something major happens where it suddenly can use physical sets I don't think Calyrex Shadow will be all that great anyways case closed unban Caly Shadow