Just looking at the updates to the lists, and I feel I need to talk about some of the new addittions:
Overheat,and Hydro Pump on the same thing 0_o. Besides being able to tear through Skarmory, and Hippowdon, two pokemon that would normally be soild checks, the very concept of this thing breathing fire and water is beyond me.
Explosion? Don't make me laugh. CAP9 + Guts + Explosion = Pain even on Skarmory.
The way this is going, then at least 1 group of the following moves needs to be dropped completely, unless we want a MASSIVE nerf later. These moves allow CAP9 to beat all of it's counters, something we do not want, consdering it's supposed to encourage offense, and a pokemon with no counters qualifies for Uber.
Group 1: Fire moves: Pokemon effected: Skarmory, Scizor, Tangrowth, Breloom
Fire Fang, Overheat, Fire Blast
Group 2: Seed Bomb: Pokemon effected: Swampert, Suicune, Hippowdon, Gyarados (To some degree)
Group 3: Hydro Pump: Pokemon effected: Hippowdon, Gliscor
Group 4: Explosion: Pokemon effected: Everything without a x4 resist, Ghost type, or not being called Skarmory. Must NOT be included, or else this thing will be a nightmare, it takes hits, dishes them out, stops status, and Explodes when all's said and done.
*Note*: Salamance and Gyarados are unreliable responses, due to Stone Edge, but that's not going anywhere.
Between those 4 groups, all of the Responses are handled, none can safely switch in, meaning none are counters. To be a counter, something has to be a response. No response = no counter. No counter = Uber.
Seriously, we need to nerf this thing's movepool, not just for balance, but for sanity's sake too. Undergound Narwhal Explodeing, breathing Fire, Seed Bombing, and blasting Water? Uh, no.
As for Thunder Punch, Skarmory, Gyarados, Suicune, and Salamance are all adversly effected by it's addittion.
How on EARTH are people suggesting Brave Bird. Is this thing a bird? Sanity people -_-.
Focus Punch is given to more or less anything with arms, so, it's a given.
U-Turn, so we want this thing to scout as well, like Scizor? (Or, in this case, more like Swellow) Either way, U-Turn = too much, especially with everything else that's being thrown on. You'd think we were re-making Smergle with this thing and the move's it's getting.