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The Everything NFL Thread - 2009

Obviously they are going to score less points when you have a less than average QB in -____-..
Oh, I thought this was the most stacked offense in football where anyone can look like a god as quarterback?

Welker runs ridiculously good routes, combined with an above average QB and you have a pretty good thing going...
Did you seriously just call Brady above average?

You also make it like Welker had been in the league for ages before he came to the Pats.... HE WAS IN THE LEAGUE FOR 3 YEARS
I didn't make it sound like shit. No one talked about Welker during his time on the Dolphins. Ever since he joined the Patriots I hear idiots like you saying "Oh, I knew he had potential when he was on the Dolphins. He just needed a quarterback."

Plus, who was implying that the Pats receivers are bad?
Because they are? What has Deion Branch done ever since he joined the Seahawks? Fuck, Reche Caldwell single handedly cost the Patriots Super Bowl XLI by dropping a perfect touchdown pass from Brady.

Also, why mention a broken finger? Thats just your excuse and cop out if you lose to the Ravens....
Have you ever tried to play quarterback with a broken finger?

I guarentee you blame it on that, and sorry to change sports, but Kobe has been playing with a seperated Pinky and a broken finger for over a season.
Irrelevant much? Basketball is for sissies. I don't see Byrant getting hit by 6'5 300 lbs men.

If you can play, you cant use an injury as an excuse
Are you really that much of a (BAN ME PLEASE)? If you're not playing 100% because of injury, that's the reason. Besides, I wasn't even talking about the broken finger as an excuse. You questioned his toughness and I responded.

Lastly, why bring out the N word. Note to the amazing racist named Freeman: IM WHITE
(BAN ME PLEASE) means stupid and ignorant. It's just commonly applied to blacks.

Lastly, the Giselle thing is a joke -____-...
That doesn't cover up anything. It's still a retarded thing to say.

Its just bringing up how you suck him off as the Golden Boy, yet he doesnt even make more money than his wife
I could care less if he makes less than his wife. That doesn't hide the fact he's one of the best of all time and the best this decade.

Dam he must feel small
Yeah, he must feel small when he's making millions of dollars and fucking a hot Brazilian model while you work at a dead-end minimum wage job wacking off to her.
 
These arguments are funny. You guys are saying that Tom Brady has a trophy wife and we're all nothing... but you're here so you can't talk lol.

I find this irrelevant name calling very rude and offensive. Tom Brady just isn't the best. Accept the fact and move on.
 
None of you have conjured up a logical and coherent argument as to why Brady is not the best this decade.

Ok, let's compare Manning and Brady's numbers since 2001 (brady's first full season as starter), excluding last year when Brady was out:

Tom Brady
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Total Passing Yards - 30,762
TDs - 225
INTs - 99
TD-INT Ratio - 2.27/1
Comp % - 63.3
Average Yards per Completion - 7.3
Rating - 93.3
Record (Regular Season) - 96-32
Super Bowl Record - 3-1

Peyton Manning
---------------
Total Passing Yards - 33,839
TDs - 254
INTs - 111
TD-INT Ratio - 2.288/1
Comp % - 66.3
Average Yards per Completion - 7.9
Rating - 99.5
Record (Regular Season) - 93-35
Super Bowl Record - 1-0


As you can see by the numbers, Manning leads every relevant statistical category except Regular Season Record (only a 3 game difference) and Super Bowl Record. While winning the Super Bowl is a great mark of achievement, it is not the sole factor in determining how good a person is. A Quarterback who is inferior in virtually every statistic but has more Super Bowl rings is not the best QB of the decade, in my opinion. Also keep in mind that this year's Super Bowl has not been played yet, so the final statistic could change.

There is your logical and coherent argument for why Brady is not the best of this decade. I would have compiled more stats but it's 1 AM and I'm exhausted. Brady is a great Quarterback, most likely HoF bound. He is not, however, the best QB of this decade in my opinion.
 
Oh, I thought this was the most stacked offense in football where anyone can look like a god as quarterback?

Did you seriously just call Brady above average?

I didn't make it sound like shit. No one talked about Welker during his time on the Dolphins. Ever since he joined the Patriots I hear idiots like you saying "Oh, I knew he had potential when he was on the Dolphins. He just needed a quarterback."

Because they are? What has Deion Branch done ever since he joined the Seahawks? Fuck, Reche Caldwell single handedly cost the Patriots Super Bowl XLI by dropping a perfect touchdown pass from Brady.

Have you ever tried to play quarterback with a broken finger?

Irrelevant much? Basketball is for sissies. I don't see Byrant getting hit by 6'5 300 lbs men.

Are you really that much of a (BAN ME PLEASE)? If you're not playing 100% because of injury, that's the reason. Besides, I wasn't even talking about the broken finger as an excuse. You questioned his toughness and I responded.

(BAN ME PLEASE) means stupid and ignorant. It's just commonly applied to blacks.

That doesn't cover up anything. It's still a retarded thing to say.

I could care less if he makes less than his wife. That doesn't hide the fact he's one of the best of all time and the best this decade.

Yeah, he must feel small when he's making millions of dollars and fucking a hot Brazilian model while you work at a dead-end minimum wage job wacking off to her.
Lmao, this debate is going to go no where... Its obvious you choke on Tom Brady when you put him over Manning for best of this decade. You obviously like to smoke the crack rock, or are just a radical Pats fan. It doesnt matter what you think about basketball, ive never heard anybody making excuses for Kobe about his separated pinky AND broken finger. You are just saying it to have a cop out when they get smacked. If he can play, dont make excuses. If hes too hurt take a seat on the bench, no excuses. I dont care how much pain he might be in, if hes gonna play dont make excuses, if he cant then he has an excuse not to play. It was a typo by the way, I meant who implied that the steelers receivers were bad... I'll say it again, maybe those first few years he had bad receivers, but its a nice confidence booster knowing you have a solid defense in the next two Super Bowl Teams, and had one of the best kickers ever in his prime.
 
Ok, let's compare Manning and Brady's numbers since 2001 (brady's first full season as starter), excluding last year when Brady was out:

Tom Brady
----------
Total Passing Yards - 30,762
TDs - 225
INTs - 99
TD-INT Ratio - 2.27/1
Comp % - 63.3
Average Yards per Completion - 7.3
Rating - 93.3
Record (Regular Season) - 96-32
Super Bowl Record - 3-1

Peyton Manning
---------------
Total Passing Yards - 33,839
TDs - 254
INTs - 111
TD-INT Ratio - 2.288/1
Comp % - 66.3
Average Yards per Completion - 7.9
Rating - 99.5
Record (Regular Season) - 93-35
Super Bowl Record - 1-0


As you can see by the numbers, Manning leads every relevant statistical category except Regular Season Record (only a 3 game difference) and Super Bowl Record. While winning the Super Bowl is a great mark of achievement, it is not the sole factor in determining how good a person is. A Quarterback who is inferior in virtually every statistic but has more Super Bowl rings is not the best QB of the decade, in my opinion. Also keep in mind that this year's Super Bowl has not been played yet, so the final statistic could change.

There is your logical and coherent argument for why Brady is not the best of this decade. I would have compiled more stats but it's 1 AM and I'm exhausted. Brady is a great Quarterback, most likely HoF bound. He is not, however, the best QB of this decade in my opinion.

Now let's look at their postseason stats, which you conveniently ignored:

Manning: 7-7 (including SIX one and dones), 348/564 (61.7%), 4208 yards (7.5), 21 TD, 17 INT

Brady: 14-3 (has never lost in the first round), 372/594 (62.6%), 3954 yards, 26 TD, 12 INT

Brady has less yards on more attempts, but he has won a lot more with a lot less, threw more touchdowns, and less interceptions (he didn't throw a single interception in the 2004-2005 postseason). As for Manning's lone Super Bowl, he threw three touchdowns to SEVEN interceptions. The Colts won because their defense and run game and in SPITE of Manning.
 
You are an idiot and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

-The Patriots were 5-11 in the 2000-2001 season.
-The Patriots were 0-2 in the 2001-2002 season before Brady replaced Drew Bledsoe. Afterwards they finished the season 11-5 and won the Super Bowl.
-The Patriots receivers in their three Super Bowl wins: David Givens, David Patten, Deion Branch, and Troy Brown.
-The backs? Kevin Faulk (primarily a third down back), Antowain Smith, J.R. Redmond, and Corey Dillon. The best of the bunch is clearly Corey Dillon, but he only had one great year with the Patriots.
-The 2001-2002 defense is the lowest ranked defense to ever win a Super Bowl.
-The defenses in the ensuing Super Bowls were much better, but nothing to brag about. Do you honestly think people will mention the Patriots defense with the Bucs and the Ravens defense?
-Bill Belichick had a losing record as a head coach before Brady stepped in.
-To further debunk that asinine claim that Brady is a system quarterback, he went through four different offensive coordinators: Charlie Weis, Bill Belichick/early Josh McDaniels, all Josh McDaniels, and back to Belichick. Manning on the other hand had Tom Moore his entire career. If anything, Manning is a better example of a system quarterback.

First of all, I never said that Brady was a system QB, merely that he had superior teammates compared to other players such as Brees. Also, while you rattle off all these stats, you have to take into consideration: the other player's that I mentioned had even worse teams than the Patriots, with the exception of Peyton Manning (which, if you had read my post, you would have noticed I excluded from the "bad teammates" comment).

I thought it was a team game?

It is, which is way Brady win more than those QBs. Those QBs have more individual talent than Brady, but that doesn't mean they are going to win more games because they have terrible teams.

How exactly is Manning better than Brady?

See other's posts, I'm not even going to bother. He consistantly puts up superior stats, even when he has inferior teammates (any year after the Patriots received Randy Moss is a year in which Brady had better receivers than Manning, because Moss is unarguably the best receiver in the history of the NFL and has as much talent as Wayne and Harrison combined.)

1. Manning is the least sacked quarterback in the league. Read my post, I said Manning was the exception.
2. Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Donald Driver, and Greg Jennings aren't talented? Your lack of comprehension skills are showing here again. Also, Driver and Jennings are good players, just not as good as Moss/Welker/etc.
3. What are you talking about? The Saints have the most balanced offense in the league and Ryan Grant ran for 1,200 yards on 4.4 yards per carry. The Colts run game, while not great, is not as bad as people say it is. Look at Brady's backfield: Laurence Maroney, a liability, Fragile Fred, and Sammy Morris. Colts have already been covered, also they have the absolute worst running game in the NFL, so that statement makes you look even more ignorant. Grant boosted his stats by playing against terrible defenses, and he was never a deciding factor in any of Green Bay's victories. Rodgers put the team on his back every single time they managed to win a game this season. As for the Saints, the only reason they have a "balanced" offense is because their coach isn't a complete asshole and actually tries to run out the clock when his team is winning by 3-4 touchdowns. If the Saints were in close games the whole season, I can guarantee that their play call selction would be much different.

...Ignoring the fact that improved offensive line play is the key reason why the Packers are in the playoffs. According to your asinine logic you have to be on your ass constantly to be great. No, not at all. I'm just saying that Brady has a hell of a lot easier of a time than other quarterbacks, much like Manning does, because his offensive line is so good. Rodgers could very easily have put up similar if not better numbers than Brady did in 2007 if he had the same team.

Establishing the run is completely overrated. LOL. This statement alone shows all that needs to be said about your football intelligence. Are you kidding me? If a team doesn't even try to run the ball, then the opposing defense can just sit back and play pass defense all day. I don't think you understand something: the defense has a massive advantage against the offense if they know what the offense is going to be doing. The offense only has 5 players that they can use as targets (unless they want to use a linemen as a receiver), while the defense can use all 11 men in coverage if they so choose.

Peterson fumbled eight times and lost the ball six times. That doesn't help at all. No, it doesn't. I used to think Peterson was the best RB in the NFL, but then I realized how foolish that was. Both CJ and MJD have proven time after time that they are more consistent and simply more talented than AP. AP might put up some better stats if he didn't have the shittiest playcalling ever, but he really isn't very good.
 
I would have compiled more stats but it's 1 AM and I'm exhausted.

My reason for not searching out postseason stats. Thank you for compiling them though, because it makes the debate more interesting. Postseason records can't be the deciding factor either, as Ben Roethlisberger is 8-2 in that area. This really is an interesting debate, being that the players are so close in skill and stats. I have a feeling the discussion is going to continue for many many years.

I still can't get over the fact that you said Manning was "gawd awful" though. Why would you ever say that?
 
not to mention that the post season statistics are a pretty small sample size, less games being played than in two whole seasons. When people look at career averages and lifetime statistics, total yards, pass completeion etc. only count for regular season games.

So once again, the stats clearly show than manning has more raw talent as a quarterback over a sample size of 128 games, then freeman comes in and explains that over 14 playoff games it is clear that brady is better.

Honestly, do you know absolutely nothing about gathering data. Come back when you come up with an argument that makes up for more than 10% of the fucking data
 
to only use playoffs as your argument is dumb. trent dilfer won a super bowl, marino didn't. we don't just go over playoff wins or stats, but every games.

im not saying playoff stats aren't important, but as above poster already said, its only a small part of the story.

not to mention, other factors go into the playoffs, including how experienced the coach is. bill has always been a much better playoff coach than dungy, and as a result, brady puts up more wins and better stats than manning.

found an interesting fact on gamefaqs this morning for raven fans, joe flacco is now the 5th ranked passing yard qb in nfl history through 2 seasons, with 6,584 passing yards. he joins peyton manning and dan marino in this top 5 list. i really like him as a qb, and if he just fixes some of his silly desicion making, he can really be a top 5-10 quarterback.
 
I really think everyone should stop feeding the trolls here, this is way out of hand.

Also, DM is an idiot...kind of like you.
Oh, and he probably took his wife to London, I'm sure she's at every home game, and...what could be better than a break from your wife? not that any of you know anything about females....Go masturbate moar lawl

lol. I'd reply to this, but my hot girlfriend is getting home from Florida today and I'm going to go have sex until my dick falls off. Have fun making a complete ass of yourself on a pokemon message board.

(BAN ME PLEASE) means stupid and ignorant. It's just commonly applied to blacks.

No, that's NOT what (BAN ME PLEASE) means, you ignorant asshole, and I imagine the multitude of black users on Smogon would also say differently. I don't wish nutshots upon many men, but you've earned one with your blatant and callous disregard for other people's feelings. Get fucked.
 
1. Freeman is banned. Hurrah!

2. ^ Says the Brady fan. Peyton has had an amazing year, although Philip Rivers and Drew Brees should've gotten more votes imo.
 
lol says the guy that has been on these forums for 5 years....ahahaha you loser.
1. you don't have a girlfriend..you can tell by the way you said hot...no one would say that unless they're lying...We all know you're single.
2. If you some how DO have a g/f that went to Florida...she most likely cheated on you...
3. The people who voted for MVP obviously know nothing about football..It's one thing Manning won the award, but to have 40 out of 50 votes...yeah..they're just on his dick..we'll see how valuable he is when he doesn't win the super bowl.
He also had one of his best years.... And most likely would have gone undefeated.... Just out of curiosity who was the MVP? Since you're this big expert, Manning would have gone undefeated if they didnt pull the starters
 
man you guys should just stop bothering with these trolls...

my weekend picks just incase they're right so i can say i was right:

bengals vs. jets
ravens vs. pats

eagles vs. cowboys
cardinals vs. packers
 
1. Freeman is banned. Hurrah!

Hopefully the author of post #1232 will be soon as well :happybrain:

Also, contrary to popular opinion, I'm sure many members of smogon are reasonably attractive, and most likely have hot girlfriends/fiances/wives/whatever. DM is one such specimen, and I'd like to think I am as well. Is it so hard to conceive that an attractive person with a normal and exciting social life could possibly enjoy pokemon as a hobby? Stereotypes are based on true cases yes, but they never account for the whole.

In any case, I'd like the stereotyping, name-calling, trolling, and other rudeness to remain out of my thread. If you disagree with someone, do so with respect and intelligence. I'd really like this place to be a wealth of good information, not a dickfest of one-line posts.
 
just curious but is there going to be a smogon nfl playoff challenge, or are nfl fanasty sports done for the year. for those who don't know what it is, nfl.com has one, and its just fanasty football, but you are not restricted to a draft (any player or unit can be on your team). i think other sites have it too.

kickoff is in two hours to the first game, so if one is going on or is about to happen, please tell me!
 
Hopefully the author of post #1232 will be soon as well :happybrain:

Also, contrary to popular opinion, I'm sure many members of smogon are reasonably attractive, and most likely have hot girlfriends/fiances/wives/whatever. DM is one such specimen, and I'd like to think I am as well. Is it so hard to conceive that an attractive person with a normal and exciting social life could possibly enjoy pokemon as a hobby? Stereotypes are based on true cases yes, but they never account for the whole.

In any case, I'd like the stereotyping, name-calling, trolling, and other rudeness to remain out of my thread. If you disagree with someone, do so with respect and intelligence. I'd really like this place to be a wealth of good information, not a dickfest of one-line posts.

Hej I'm here to represent the common stereotype of a competitive pokemon player ^_____^ I'm absolutely grotesque and have never had a girlfriend, and to be quite honest I doubt that any woman has ever found me attractive (take into consideration that I'm only a senior in high school, however).

Seriously though, I agree with the end to the insulting. I have tried to be very polite and respectful in my responses and attempted to post only intelligent and well thought-out posts.
 
Lol well already I'm 0-1 in predictions *hops aboard his failboat*

At least the Bungles lost and all their fans can stop talking that trash. Now we're both stuck watching the rest of the season from our couches :)
 
BIG DEFENSE!

Of course, literally every single part of the Cowboys team was on fire today pretty much, so it will be scarier to go through a game where some part runs into trouble (rushing, defense, special teams, or passing). Just a great game to watch as a Cowboys fan though.
 
1-1...damn Cowboys. Oh well, as long as they don't make the Super Bowl, I'm happy :)

Sanchez did pretty well I thought, no Interceptions, 1 TD, and good accuracy. Certainly better than what Carson Palmer was producing.
 
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