Except they were talking about revenge killing, not switching into one of its attacks, in which case bulk doesn't matter as long as it can KO with Mach Punch.
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Terrakion
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Except they were talking about revenge killing, not switching into one of its attacks, in which case bulk doesn't matter as long as it can KO with Mach Punch.
I tried to get Terakion banned by making a suspect thread, but it remained UU. And whats with all the PO hate on players? ~_~
Even better, why not just use Drain Punch when you know you won't die in one hit? You're guaranteed to kill him in one hit after the defense drop and you healed off most of the damage as a result.
No, your not EVing your Breloom correctly. Breloom is histerically one of the best Dory-counters. And I've never seen my Breloom OHKOed by a Close Combat. Oh wait, I use Defense EVs...
I already discussed this a lot on PO, about the PO server UU tier...well, I don't see the problem in beating Terakion. I'm quoting my own post from there:
I did a ton of similar calcs and posted a few pages back a set which Goruugu can run that beats every Terakion, every time (I think using STAB EQ and/or Hammer Arm to beat it).
Qwilfish is definitely a new concept, however! If it is released (no idea if it is then a Balloon variant would actually serve as a quite a reasonable counter to Dory and even Randorosu as well, if looking for other utility for the blowfish.
252 SpA Timid Psychic with LO does 83.3% - 98.8% with Psychic, factoring in Sandstorm, against 4 Hp/ 0 SpD Terakion...Jolly 252 Atk / 252 Speed Life Orb Terakion does 41.7% - 49.2% to 252 HP / 252 Def Blastoise, it's not a 2HKO without hazards, even if a little prior damage is enough, and Blast can do enough damage with Aqua Jet. Scizor 0hkos with bullet punch, Lucario does a lot with Bullet Punch (60% or so with max atk life orb, IIRC). Azumarill 0hkos him. Dragonite takes comfortably a hit thanks to Multi Scale and can 0HKO back with EQ or do a lot with Outrage/Draco Meteor, and has espeed too...remember that Stone Edge could always miss
As I said before, Goruggu is a 100% counter to pretty much all Terakion, beating all but balloon handily with EQ whilst living it's hits, and KOing back (Hammer Arm beats ballon using ones).
If you can lure a CC to get a defence drop and LO recoil then get Roobushin in on it, then you can fairly assuredly OHKO with a Mach Punch too. Which is a reasonable last resort way to deal with him that doesn't necessarily mean anything will die if you switch smartly.
LuckOverSkill said:
Which Pokemon is this?
I had to look this one up because it seemed suspiciously low. I actually got 38.6% - 45.5% instead, which makes me wonder whether or not the rest of your calcs are inaccurate. But instead of backtracking through each of your calcs, I'm just going to skim over some of the more important ones...Luck said:
Cool, but due to the nature of Choice Scarf, this means I'm either using Rak to check your Celebi, or your Celebi is switching in to check my Rak. The latter does kind of hurt your example, illustrating that if Celebi were common enough or expected through team viewer to switch in, it can easily be 2HKOed by one of its commonly run moves.
The Stone Edge calc does prove that Celebi can kind of counter a Double Dancing Rak if it's in good health and doesn't get a high damage roll off of +2 (which looks like this: 77.2% - 90.8%), but there's also the possibility that I'm running a simple SD set, in which case I have more than enough room for X-Scissor. I don't need to put up a +2 calc, but for future references: 82.2% - 97% ...it probably won't live a +0 either. Keep in mind that we're being really optimistic by assuming only SR and no prior switch-ins that leave it at, say, 70-80% somewhere in the match.
Goruggo is a great Terakion counter, I agree wholeheartedly with that, but don't forget that Stone Edge puts any kind of Qwilfish in the doghouse.
Are you talking about Doryuuzu? Cause there is no chance he's taking a +2 CC
+2 Jolly LO Terakion Close Combat vs 252/252 Impish Escavalier = 100% - 117.5%
EDIT: Ugh
EDIT: Ugh
Aqua Jet does 80.5% - 95.4%.
Why using hammer arm over DynamicPunch? And I just realized that I forgot attack EVs in some of my calcs, screw that D:
EDIT: No guard didn't get released iirc, well, if you play DW you can use Dpunch
Just thought I'd share with you all that yesterday somebody let me set up an RP and 2 SDs whilst he put up hazards. I KO his pokemon (can't remember who it was), he sends in Jellicent. Stone Edge hits. Jellicent survives with 2 HP and KOs back. Jellicent survived a +4 LO SE. I've not run any calcs but... that seems ridiculously unlucky to me. Though I guess it's not that much worse than Stone Edge just flat out missing at crucial times and costing you the game, so meh. Still love Terakion though, and with Gliscor in the same team most of its counters can be dealt with handily.
No, they're talking about the Bug/Steel Snail Knight with 70/135/105/60/105/20 stats.
Hammer arm gets boosted by Iron Fist. Admittedly, so does Dynamic Punch, but 50% acc is not something I'd put my faith in when it comes to stopping Terrakion and it's not like Goruugo was outspeeding Terrakion anyways,
