I’m an attempt to steer away of what should be banned next; what Mons do people think will rise up now that Gliscor is banned?
Yeh no. Casual players stopped. Competitive did not.
Unless the hazard issue improves with reintroduced defog distribution, skarmory will be a better wall and thus a better Pokemon. Since it throws spikes up it actually accomplishes stuff while Corv is forced to turn on dengo.
Probably rillaboom sneasler now that great tusk doesn't have to run ice spinner specifically for gliscor. Or it still could, GT is pretty customizable.
For spikers, I expect H samu or ting liu to have a resurgence in usage, but I'm just speculating.
no, they stopped playing because they dropped half of ubers when crown tundra dropped, making the first several months of the meta a horrific, unbalanced nightmare. kind of like this gen, but instead of the council holding the meta together, they were the ones who blew it apart in the first placeand people stopped playing gen8 due to its generation mechanic being banned.
Gliscor itself made a lot of Pokemon worse or run very specific sets. I think Sandy Shocks, Landorus-T, and Great Tusk will all improve with its ban. Cinderace also improves, as it could have trouble making progress vs Gliscor.I’m an attempt to steer away of what should be banned next; what Mons do people think will rise up now that Gliscor is banned?
Now the cascade of bans can continue
this cascade can’t stop, won’t stop.. can’t stop
- chop up sneasler, ghold still controversial
- Take out ghold, more attention goes to Ogerpon/kingambit
- Once ogerpon and gambit get the axe, manaphy is too overwhelming
- Manaphy gets cut out of OU, major discourse around booster energy is re-discussed, with valiant the hot topic
- Surprise cresselia suspect due to no more gambit, ghold, etc.
- OU community collectively realises what we were saying all along: keeping blind tera means banning 10+ Pokémon in a domino effect
- eventually we reach the “stale” point in the meta, where wall breaking is limited and defensive teams can pick a Tera to optimise for most offensive structures. Stall usage increases.
I’m an attempt to steer away of what should be banned next; what Mons do people think will rise up now that Gliscor is banned?
Glad Gliscor is gone, but this meta is still bullshit. Manaphy setting up on Thundurus-Therian? When will people realize the problem is not in individual mons. Its in this craptastic mechanic.
this has the same tone as an old guy being shocked and appalled at a man with painted nails. if you don't want to accept progress, there are 8 other gens you can playManaphy setting up on Thundurus-Therian?
Well, it is true that Manaphy wouldn't even remotely be a problem without Tera. It'd be pretty easy to revenge kill if it couldn't flip its defensive profile. when the user decides it is time. Tera is what is causing Manaphy to end up on the surveys when it otherwise would be a lot easier to handle in a format without it.
Can we please get a suspect test for Sneasler ASAP? I would prefer a quickban, but given that's unlikely, a suspect test would make do.
But please, get this done quickly so we can finally test Gholdengo.
I do want quickban. But given that Ursaluna Blood Moon had to wait for suspect (a Mon that got 95% ban votes), Sneasler getting quickbanned is highly unlikely.There's only room for 1 more suspect test before the DLC, so if we suspect Sneasler, we don't get a test on Gholdengo. If you want a test on Gholdengo, you should hope for a Sneasler quickban instead.
I do want quickban. But given that Ursaluna Blood Moon had to wait for suspect (a Mon that got 95% ban votes), Sneasler getting quickbanned is highly unlikely.
If I had to choose between Sneasler and Gholdengo, I would choose Sneasler to get nuked first.
the ideal situation is that we qb sneasler now while everyone is too distracted by the gliscor ban to whine about "le tyranny" or whatever, then throw up a suspect thread tomorrow for whatever the next-highest thing from the last survey was. let the meta settle during the test, and if the thing doesn't need to be banned once the dust settles (very unlikely), the votes will reflect that. let's just go wild with the banhammer and drop whatever gets enough survey votes to drop in dlc2The ideal situation is that we QB Sneasler after the next survey and then waste no time in suspecting Ghold. That's why I encourage everyone to vote as high as possible on both Sneasler and Ghold, so that we can QB Sneasler and then suspect Ghold in peace.
Now the cascade of bans can continue
this cascade can’t stop, won’t stop.. can’t stop
- chop up sneasler, ghold still controversial
- Take out ghold, more attention goes to Ogerpon/kingambit
- Once ogerpon and gambit get the axe, manaphy is too overwhelming
- Manaphy gets cut out of OU, major discourse around booster energy is re-discussed, with valiant the hot topic
- Surprise cresselia suspect due to no more gambit, ghold, etc.
- OU community collectively realises what we were saying all along: keeping blind tera means banning 10+ Pokémon in a domino effect
- eventually we reach the “stale” point in the meta, where wall breaking is limited and defensive teams can pick a Tera to optimise for most offensive structures. Stall usage increases.
i say the council should go for kokoloko tiering and just shadow-remove any posts complaining about it so they can point to the forum and go "see? look how popular it is, you can't argue with that, it's the will of the people". then wait about a month for everyone to see how much better the meta is, and they'll be too busy enjoying the game to realize that they got soviet-union'd (ignore the fact that when the soviets did this it didn't work and nothing improved)I don't envy the Council whatsoever here, man. Even the most controversial thing (the early-HOME Volcarona quickban) that happened as far as tiering action goes was still the right answer to the right problem, and arguably still in the right way as well. I also don't feel like the Kokoloko tiering method (banning multiple problematic elements simultaneously and retesting each one individually) would be a good solution because I remember when this was tried in UU several generations ago after the Mega Latias ban and people (figuratively) crucified the UU Council for it even if it was, in hindsight, the right way to address the issue. Considering folks' reaction to the Volc quickban, I feel like doing something like that with the most well-known, widely-followed Smogon tier by a massive margin wouldn't be worth the shit-storm even if it would lead to a better metagame.
I’m an attempt to steer away of what should be banned next; what Mons do people think will rise up now that Gliscor is banned?
Casual player here, I just moved to gen 9 since it is more recent, that's all.Yeh no. Casual players stopped. Competitive did not.