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Pokemon Database Errors (Past Generations)

Discussion in 'Past Generation Contributions' started by chaos, Mar 23, 2008.

  1. chaos

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    Post here errors in the Pokemon DB.

    Non-exhaustive list of what this covers:

    * Errors in Pokemon data
    * Pokemon showing up in generations they aren't in
    * Errors in move data
    * Errors in learnsets (what moves a Pokemon learns)

    .. etc... go.

    MOVE/ITEM/ABILITY DESCRIPTIONS AND POKEMON MOVESETS ARE _NOT_ A PART OF THE POKEMON DATABASE. THEY ARE USER CREATED CONTENT, AND THEREFORE NEED TO BE EITHER IN THE WORKSHOPS OR IN THE SMALL CHANGES THREAD.
  2. david stone

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    http://www.smogon.com/dp/moves/selfdestruct
    http://www.smogon.com/rs/moves/selfdestruct

    Mewtwo and Snorlax are not listed as learning Selfdestruct. Actually a lot of Pokemon are missing, such as Gengar. This is an XD Tutor. I believe the other Pokemon (other than Mewtwo and Snorlax) learned it if they learned Explosion, but someone will have to verify that.

    http://www.smogon.com/dp/moves/role_play
    http://www.smogon.com/rs/moves/role_play

    Mew learns Role Play (which people confused with Trick). It learns it as an XD move.
  3. Mekkah

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    This is all ADV/DP

    In Pokemon XD you can catch several Pokemon that have moves on them they don't learn otherwise.

    http://www.serebii.net/xd/pokemon-attacks.shtml

    That means they're illegal with egg and NYPC moves, though some of them come with egg moves (like, Scyther comes with Silver Wind and Morning Sun).

    Here's a list of Move Tutors in DP: http://www.serebii.net/xd/move-tutor.shtml

    The problem is, it's not listing the Pokemon that get stuff from it. I know that Selfdestruct is simply Wailord, Snorlax, Mewtwo + Exploders though.

    Pokemon Box gives you several Pokemon that come with a special move as well.
    Zigzagoon/Linoone is missing Extremespeed.
    Ralts/Kirlia/Gallade are missing Wish (Gardevoir has it)
    Swablu/Altaria are missing False Swipe
    Skitty/Delcatty are missing Pay Day
    Pichu/Pikachu/Raichu are missing Surf
  4. Havak

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    Tropius was a hoax IIRC, along with Salamence (not Bagon) and Gardevoir (Not Ralts). Drowzee and Kangaskhan were the other Pokémon that got Wish/Another move at that Event, along with Farfetch'd, Lickitung, Chansey & Exeggcute like you said. Bagon actually wasn't at that Event, it was distributed with Absol, Ralts and Pikachu. All knowing Wish/Another move. Which were Iron Defense, Spite, Charm & Teeter Dance respectively. Each Pokémon could only have one of those moves, not both. While the others listed (Kanga-Exeggute) had both moves.

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    All generations, entire Pikachu line should get Surf. RBY/GSC gets it through Pokemon Stadium (beat some challenge with Pikachu appearing in every one of your battles), RS through Pokemon Box (fill all your boxes completely, I think), DP through Pokemon Battle Revolution (upon completion).

    Oddish/Gloom/Vileplume/Bellossom get Leech Seed in GSC via a NYPC event. I guess that means that technically they get it for RBY as well then via Tradeback.
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    My apologies if this thread is for discussing errors in the RS/DP pages only.

    http://www.smogon.com/gs/moves/spikes

    Only Forretress and Qwilfish are listed as learning Spikes, but in actuality Cloyster and Delibird (the latter in a Nintendo event) learn this move as well.
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    http://www.smogon.com/rb/moves/gust

    Isn't gust of the normal type in RB?

    On Pokemon Yellow, Pikachu is hit with normal effectiveness when attacked by Gust from Pidgey. It resists fly. So I'm pretty sure we can say Gust is a normal attack on Yellow. I am yet to test this on Red or Blue though.

    Edit: Confirmed on Red. Bulbasaur is hit with normal effectiveness from Pidgey's Gust. Oh and even Netbattle recognises it as Normal.
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    Ursaring's movepool page doesn't list Last Resort. However, it is a move tutor attack, and it also shows up in Shoddy battle's move list on the team builder.
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    Hoppip GSC page lacks Splash, Synthesis and Tail Whip. And there still is that problem with the GSC Spikes page I outlined above.
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    http://www.smogon.com/gs/moves/growth

    Growth Eevee was a NYPC Pokemon, was it not? Well, the entire Eevee line is missing from this list. Also...

    http://www.smogon.com/gs/pokemon/eevee/moves
    http://www.smogon.com/gs/pokemon/espeon/moves
    http://www.smogon.com/gs/pokemon/flareon/moves
    http://www.smogon.com/gs/pokemon/jolteon/moves
    http://www.smogon.com/gs/pokemon/umbreon/moves

    Growth is missing from all of their learnsets. The Eevolutions' analyses all list Growth either as a main option (Espeon) or in other options so it's a tad unusual for Growth not to be in their learnsets. They're not overdue for an update, are they?
  12. eric the espeon

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    A very large number of GSC Pokemon are missing moves that they only learn in RBY, almost every TM that changed between generations, and Pokemon whose level up learnsets lost moves between the games. I understand that GSC moves are often not permitted in RBY, but have seen nothing to indicate that RBY only moves were banned from GSC. Its not a minor fix, but while there is such a large inaccuracy it almost seems worth putting a notice up somewhere to stop people from getting the wrong information.. That or extending the project RB Golbat started to check Smogon's learnsets to past generations to try and solve the problem.

    On a related note, would it be worth having a separate table for "tradeback only" moves on the RB pages?

    edit: there should be a space between "A" and "PART" in the third to last line of the OP from this thread, don't kill me.
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    Karate Chop

    In the "Moves" database, "Karate Chop's" type is listed as "Fighting" for the R/B (first) generation. The actual typing is "Normal," as stated in the "Differences in R/B" section.
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    Just a little something I noticed while rnging. You guys have the abilities of magnemite/ton/zone in the wrong order. I noticed this when I ended up getting a magnemite with sturdy ability rather than magnet pull. http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/magnezone
    You have magnet pull as ability 1 and Sturdy as ability 0 when in fact it should be the other way around.
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    i remember a glorious joke by mekkah involving an analysis about some weird swords dance pidgeot (may have been an april fool, or something). the problem is that swords dance is still there in rby pidgeot movepool xD

    http://www.smogon.com/rb/pokemon/pidgeot/moves
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    Checking all DP corrections posted in this thread so that someone with the power to can find them all in one place without having to check if each is fixed yet, and when they have the time and inclination to fix them.

    Gallade + Wish
    Ralts learns it, so.. its evo can.
    Pichu is missing Surf, but it can't be pal parked so should not be added.

    Shedinja + Baton Pass, Swords Dance, Slash
    It does get Baton Pass if you delay evolution until level 45 (its even in the analysis). It also gets Swords Dance and Slash by holding off evolution until level 25 and 31 respectively.

    Wormadam - Dig, Stealth Rock, Earthquake, Fissure, Flash Cannon, Gyro Ball, Harden, Iron Head, Metal Sound, Mirror Shot, Rock Blast, Rock Tomb, Sandstorm.
    Normal form was noted as having SR when it should not, checked movepool and found quite a few others. Wormadam seems to have acquired a lot of moves from one of the other forms somehow..

    Zigzagoon - Roar, Hyper Beam, Giga Impact, Strength, Switcheroo,
    Was notes as not having Shadow Claw. Found others. Seems to have picked up moves from Linoone, which Ziggy can't get.

    Linoone + Pin Missile
    Ziggy gets it as a level up move.

    Magmortar + Follow Me
    Magmar gets it from XD.

    Jirachi
    + Draco Meteor
    Event move.

    Scizor + Vacuum Wave
    Scyther gets it

    Azurill - Aqua Jet, Amnesia, Belly Drum, Superpower, Future Sight, Supersonic
    Azuril has pretty different egg moves from Marill, it seems to have got a few mixed in that need removing.

    Slowking + Trick
    Pt tutor, Slowpoke gets it. Its other Pt tutor moves are fine.

    Lickilicky + Wish
    Tung gets it as an event move.

    Smeargle + Every Sketchable move
    It gets Sketch, so get all these moves. No real reason for them not to be listed.

    Additionally (from the event move guide/thread):
    Pikachu + Fly
    Pokewalker event.

    Plusle + Mud Sport
    Jap event.

    Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath + Sweet Scent
    Poliwag gets it via an event. Politoed has it already.

    Minun + Water Sport
    Jap event.

    Arceus + Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, Shadow Force
    All from an event.

    Munchlax + Selfdestruct
    Pokewalker event.

    Lugia + Earth Power
    Pt tutor

    I can go back and find sources for all the events that are questionable if it is required.
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    I'm unsure about this one, but is the only moves page that Smeargle is listed under as Sketch? I do not see any other moves with Smeargle listed as capable of learning it. I apologize if I'm sounding lazy, but I only checked Absorb, Attract, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Dragon Dance, Spore. Is it because that Smeargle technically never learns those moves by level-up, TM, or egg move or Smeargle can sketch any move?
  18. eric the espeon

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    Good point, slightly surprised no one noticed/brought this up before actually. Smeargle's move pages for DP, RS, and GS need every move that exists (bar Chatter and Struggle) added. Unless moves learned through Sketch don't count for some reason, but this makes no competitive sense and stops people from finding it from the move page when looking for a Pokemon that learns that move.
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    NYPC moves for GSC

    Source, many (enough to be confident the lists agreed) checked against Bulbapedia and some against an apparently incomplete list on GFAQs.

    Thanks to Vader and Fuzznip for adding most of the evos to the list and helping get this into a useful format.

    Abra: Foresight
    Aerodactyl: Rock Throw
    Aipom: Mimic
    Alakazam: Foresight
    Ariados: Growth
    Azumarill: Dizzy Punch, Hydro Pump, Scary Face
    Bayleef: Petal Dance
    Bellossom: Leech Seed
    Bellsprout: Lovely Kiss, Sweet Kiss
    Blastoise: Zap Cannon
    Blissey: Sweet Scent
    Bulbasaur: AncientPower
    Chansey: Sweet Scent
    Charizard: Crunch
    Charmander: Crunch
    Charmeleon: Crunch
    Chikorita: Petal Dance
    Chinchou: Light Screen
    Clefable: Petal Dance, Scary Face, Swift
    Clefairy: Petal Dance, Scary Face, Swift
    Cleffa: Petal Dance, Scary Face, Swift
    Crobat: Flail
    Croconaw: Submission
    Cubone: Fury Attack
    Cyndaquil: Double-Edge
    Delibird: Pay Day, Spikes
    Dewgong: Flail
    Dodrio: Low Kick
    Doduo: Low Kick
    Donphan: Absorb
    Dragonair: Hydro Pump
    Dragonite: Hydro Pump
    Dratini: Hydro Pump
    Drowzee: Amnesia
    Dunsparce: Fury Attack, Horn Drill
    Eevee: Growth
    Electabuzz: Dizzy Punch, Pursuit
    Electrode: Agility
    Elekid: Dizzy Punch, Pursuit
    Espeon: Growth
    Exeggcute: Sweet Scent
    Exeggutor: Sweet Scent
    Farfetch'd: Fury Cutter
    Fearow: SonicBoom
    Feraligatr: Submission
    Flareon: Growth
    Forretress: Substitute
    Furret: Dizzy Punch
    Geodude: Rapid Spin
    Gloom: Leech Seed
    Golbat: Flail
    Goldeen: Swords Dance
    Golduck: Petal Dance, Tri Attack
    Golem: Rapid Spin
    Granbull: Lovely Kiss
    Graveler: Rapid Spin
    Gyarados: Bubble, Reversal
    Heracross: Seismic Toss
    Hitmonchan: Rage
    Hitmonlee: Rage
    Hitmontop: Rage
    Hoothoot: Night Shade
    Hoppip: Agility
    Horsea: Haze
    Hypno: Amnesia
    Igglybuff: Mimic, Petal Dance, Scary Face
    Ivysaur: AncientPower
    Jigglypuff: Mimic, Petal Dance, Scary Face
    Jolteon: Growth
    Jumpluff: Agility
    Jynx: Metronome, Petal Dance
    Kabuto: Rock Throw
    Kabutops: Rock Throw
    Kadabra: Foresight
    Kangaskhan: Faint Attack
    Kingdra: Haze
    Kingler: Metal Claw
    Krabby: Metal Claw
    Lanturn: Light Screen
    Lapras: Bite, Future Sight
    Larvitar: Rage
    Ledian: Barrier
    Ledyba: Barrier
    Lickitung: Double Slap
    Machamp: False Swipe, Thrash
    Machoke: False Swipe, Thrash
    Machop: False Swipe, Thrash
    Magby: Faint Attack
    Magikarp: Bubble, Reversal
    Magmar: Faint Attack
    Magnemite: Agility
    Magneton: Agility
    Mantine: Gust
    Marill: Dizzy Punch, Hydro Pump, Scary Face
    Marowak: Fury Attack
    Meganium: Petal Dance
    Miltank: Mega Kick
    Misdreavus: Hypnosis
    Mr_Mime: Mind Reader
    Murkrow: Beat Up
    Natu: Safeguard
    Nidoking: Lovely Kiss, Morning Sun, Sweet Kiss
    Nidoqueen: Lovely Kiss, Moonlight, Sweet Kiss
    Nidoran-F: Lovely Kiss, Moonlight, Sweet Kiss
    Nidoran-M: Lovely Kiss, Morning Sun, Sweet Kiss
    Nidorina: Lovely Kiss, Moonlight, Sweet Kiss
    Nidorino: Lovely Kiss, Morning Sun, Sweet Kiss
    Noctowl: Night Shade
    Octillery: Amnesia, Mist
    Oddish: Leech Seed
    Omanyte: Rock Throw
    Omastar: Rock Throw
    Onix: Sharpen
    Paras: Synthesis
    Parasect: Synthesis
    Phanpy: Absorb
    Pichu: Dizzy Punch, Petal Dance, Scary Face, Sing
    Pikachu: Dizzy Punch, Petal Dance, Scary Face, Sing
    Piloswine: Whirlwind
    Pineco: Substitute
    Pinsir: Rock Throw
    Poliwag: Growth, Lovely Kiss, Sweet Kiss
    Poliwhirl: Growth, Lovely Kiss, Sweet Kiss
    Poliwrath: Growth, Lovely Kiss, Sweet Kiss
    Ponyta: Low Kick
    Porygon2: Barrier
    Porygon: Barrier
    Psyduck: Petal Dance, Tri Attack
    Pupitar: Rage
    Quagsire: Scary Face
    Quilava: Double-Edge
    Qwilfish: Double-Edge
    Raichu: Dizzy Punch, Petal Dance, Scary Face, Sing
    Rapidash: Low Kick
    Remoraid: Amnesia, Mist
    Scizor: SonicBoom
    Scyther: SonicBoom
    Seadra: Haze
    Seaking: Swords Dance
    Seel: Flail
    Sentret: Dizzy Punch
    Skarmory: Fury Cutter
    Skiploom: Agility
    Smoochum: Metronome, Petal Dance
    Sneasel: Moonlight
    Snorlax: Lovely Kiss, Splash, Sweet Kiss
    Snubbull: Lovely Kiss
    Spearow: SonicBoom
    Spinarak: Growth
    Squirtle: Zap Cannon
    Stantler: Safeguard
    Starmie: Twister
    Staryu: Twister
    Steelix: Sharpen
    Sudowoodo: Substitute
    Sunflora: Splash
    Sunkern: Splash
    Swinub: Whirlwind
    Tangela: Synthesis
    Tauros: Quick Attack
    Teddiursa: Sweet Scent
    Tentacool: Confuse Ray
    Tentacruel: Confuse Ray
    Totodile: Submission
    Typhlosion: Double-Edge
    Tyranitar: Rage
    Tyrogue: Rage
    Umbreon: Growth
    Ursaring: Sweet Scent
    Vaporeon: Growth
    Venusaur: AncientPower
    Victreebel: Lovely Kiss, Sweet Kiss
    Vileplume: Leech Seed
    Voltorb: Agility
    Wartortle: Zap Cannon
    Weepinbell: Lovely Kiss, Sweet Kiss
    Wigglytuff: Mimic, Petal Dance, Scary Face
    Wobbuffet: Mimic
    Wooper: Belly Drum
    Xatu: Safeguard
    Yanma: Steel Wing, Sweet Kiss
    Zubat: Flail

    And a couple of missing Crystal only Lv. up moves

    Cloyster: Spikes
    Magneton: Tri Attack
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    The conversion2 SCMS entry should be moved to conversion_2, almost everywhere else disagrees with us and I checked ingame.
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    Search terms changes:

    Additions

    Rotom-H -> /dp/pokemon/rotom-h
    Rotom-C -> /dp/pokemon/rotom-c
    Rotom-F -> /dp/pokemon/rotom-f
    Rotom-S -> /dp/pokemon/rotom-s
    Rotom-W -> /dp/pokemon/rotom-w
    Shaymin-S -> /dp/pokemon/shaymin-s

    Adaptability currently redirects to /dp/abilities/adaptibility which is a 404, it should direct to /dp/abilities/adaptability.

    Ideally the items for all generations would be added as well.

    These are not a priority but when someone with the ability gets a chance it's something that could be improved.
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    I can only link to the cached page right now so...
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...on shedinja analysis&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
    I was testing things that can and can't kill Shedinja yesterday with a friend on Shoddy and we discovered that Shedinja isn't hurt by Jaboca or Rowap recoil
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    Absol is not listed as having the move Superpower, yet it is advised in all of Absol's analyses, and in fact can be learned by Absol. Superpower does not show up here (http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/absol/moves) or here (http://www.smogon.com/dp/moves/superpower). Thanks for your time

    Edit: P.S. (Evidence) Absol learns Superpower by a move tutor in Platinum, Heart Gold, or Soul Silver. Source: (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Absol), direct quote:
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    Generation IV

    Other generation learnsets: III
    Game Move Type Cat. Pwr. Acc. PP Contest Appeal
    D P Pt HG SS Bounce Flying Physical 85 85% 5 Cute 1 ♥
    D P Pt HG SS Fury Cutter Bug Physical 10 95% 20 Cool 2 ♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Headbutt Normal Physical 70 100% 15 Tough 3 ♥♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Icy Wind Ice Special 55 95% 15 Beauty 2 ♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Knock Off Dark Physical 20 100% 20 Smart 3 ♥♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Magic Coat Psychic Status — —% 15 Beauty 2 ♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Mud-Slap Ground Special 20 100% 10 Cute 3 ♥♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Role Play Psychic Status — —% 10 Cute 1 ♥
    D P Pt HG SS Snore Normal Special 40 100% 15 Cool 3 ♥♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Spite Ghost Status — 100% 10 Tough 2 ♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Sucker Punch Dark Physical 80 100% 5 Smart 2 ♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Superpower Fighting Physical 120 100% 5 Tough 2 ♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Swift Normal Special 60 —% 20 Cool 2 ♥♥
    D P Pt HG SS Zen Headbutt Psychic Physical 80 90% 15 Beauty 2 ♥♥


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