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Permanent Ladders:

• 1v1
• Almost Any Ability
• Balanced Hackmons
• Mix and Mega
• NFE
• STABmons

Other Ladders:

• OMotM - A temporary ladder for the month's most popular metagame!
• Leaders Choice - An additional temporary ladder chosen by the OM Leaders, based on activity.

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• To be added soon

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• Smeargle's Studio Workshop - Request art for your OM/resource here!

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[Ransei]

OM Index

• Anything Goes: Anything legal and usable in local battles is allowed.
• Camomons: Pokémon change type to match their first two moves.
• 2v2 Doubles: Bring 4 Pokemon, Choose 2. A doubles version of the 1v1 metagame.
• 350 Cup: All Pokémon with a BST under 350 have all their stats doubled.
• Inheritance: Any Pokémon in the metagame can "inherit" the moves and ability from a certain Pokemon.
• Suicide Cup: Victory is obtained when all of your Pokémon have fainted.
• Trademarked: A Pokémon's ability can be given up in place for a status move, which will activate upon every switch-in.

 

[Ransei]

reserving - rejected ideas

 

[The Immortal]

This thread should be used for simple questions that need relatively simple answers, those kinds of questions rarely lead to meaningful conversation. If you were considering posting in a thread to ask "How can I use Eternamax Eternatus?" or making a new thread to ask "Where can I play OMs?" I'd recommend asking those questions here instead. For simple questions related to Smogon ask here. For in-game help/info check the Orange Islands subforum. This section is for competitive discussion only.

When posting in this thread, please follow these guidelines:

• Make sure your question is relevant to Other Metagames.
• Use the search feature to check if the question has been answered before.
• Quote the question you are answering to help keep things organized.
• Do not answer a question if you are unsure.
• Your answers should contain at least a brief explanation, even if it was the simplest of questions.

 

[MajoraInAFedora]

I'll get the ball rolling with the question everyone's thinking: is OM running national dex variants of official tiers? Thanks.

 

[The Immortal]

I'll get the ball rolling with the question everyone's thinking: is OM running national dex variants of official tiers? Thanks.

I don’t want to give you a definitive answer because plans change. But, if Zarel’s National Dex format on PS continues in the direction it’s going with custom mechanics then I think it’d be a good idea to have a megathread of some sort with NatDex OU, etc... that only has the minimal rule I mentioned of assuming all Pokémon can be transferred to SwSh.

 

[MajoraInAFedora]

I don’t want to give you a definitive answer because plans change. But, if Zarel’s National Dex format on PS continues in the direction it’s going with custom mechanics then I think it’d be a good idea to have a megathread of some sort with NatDex OU, etc... that only has the minimal rule I mentioned of assuming all Pokémon can be transferred to SwSh.

Thank you. I'm probably asking too similar a question to necessitate a different response, but what of past-gen mechanics such as mega evolution and Z -crystals?

 

[The Immortal]

Thank you. I'm probably asking too similar a question to necessitate a different response, but what of past-gen mechanics such as mega evolution and Z -crystals?

Those exist in Zarel’s version currently on PS, as well as deleted moves. Not only does that version not qualify as an OM, but I think we need to satisfy a different audience if we support NatDex metagames here. So no, those wouldn’t exist in this case.

 

[Mark K]

When's the earliest/latest we can expect playable Gen 8 OM Formats to come online?

 

[The Immortal]

When's the earliest/latest we can expect playable Gen 8 OM Formats to come online?

I didn’t put it up with the other formats because OMs typically have complex interactions and research is still going on. For example, even though all the items are listed in the code, most old items don’t actually work. Such as: Gems shouldn’t be legal even in Hackmons because they’re not functional. Give it a few days then I’ll make the transition.

 

[Swaggy-G]

Why doesn't Balanced Hackmons mention anything about Eternamax Eternatus? The one with more than 1000 BST. I don't expect it to be legal in the metagame, but I at least expected a quick ban, but the thread doesn't say anything about it. Is it because it's not playable in game, despite being coded in? What makes it different than playing a mega evolution without its respective stone?

 

[Ransei]

Why doesn't Balanced Hackmons mention anything about Eternamax Eternatus? The one with more than 1000 BST. I don't expect it to be legal in the metagame, but I at least expected a quick ban, but the thread doesn't say anything about it. Is it because it's not playable in game, despite being coded in? What makes it different than playing a mega evolution without its respective stone?

You are unable to hack it in the game and it's currently not on Pokemon Showdown. Therefore it's been typical ignored.

 

[Kadabrium]

is unaware effective against the defence boosts utilized by body press?

 

[MajoraInAFedora]

Those exist in Zarel’s version currently on PS, as well as deleted moves. Not only does that version not qualify as an OM, but I think we need to satisfy a different audience if we support NatDex metagames here. So no, those wouldn’t exist in this case.

Shame. Will there be a place for Zarel-type tiers? And will we have an UU/Ubers etc...equivalent of the current Zarel ladder (for lack of a better name)? I am aware that I may be veering too far away from the "other metagames" topic. Thank you.

 

[Kadabrium]

do dynamax moves bypass destiny bond?

 

[Heavyweapons Mann]

I’m not sure where to ask this, but when will Pet Mods get transitioned?

 

[DrPumpkinz]

When will a new Metagame Workshop open up?

 

[The Immortal]

Shame. Will there be a place for Zarel-type tiers? And will we have an UU/Ubers etc...equivalent of the current Zarel ladder (for lack of a better name)? I am aware that I may be veering too far away from the "other metagames" topic. Thank you.

This is being discussed but basically whatever there is demand for. If there is demand for Zarel type AG then it’ll be that. If there’s demand for pure NatDex Ubers, then there’ll likely be that.

do dynamax moves bypass destiny bond?

yes.

I’m not sure where to ask this, but when will Pet Mods get transitioned?

There is still some planning going on. In the meantime feel free to continue using the gen 7 threads because pet mods cross over across generations.

When will a new Metagame Workshop open up?

Very soon!

 

[Heavyweapons Mann]

Will there be NatDex OMs in the future? I was really looking forward to NatDex BH.

 

[The Immortal]

Will there be NatDex OMs in the future? I was really looking forward to NatDex BH.

Here

 

[Tmi489]

also for silvally, silvally's type only changes if it has a memory and rks system, otherwise it will be pure normal, no matter what type it looks like.

another really interesting thing i found is that silvally actually can use different types without rks system

so it appears normal type but is actually other types?

 

[420LegitShucks]

so it appears normal type but is actually other types?

not at all, not only does it show up as the type you gen it in as, but it functions like the type, for example a permanent ghost silvally would be immune to normal and fighting without having rks system or the ghost memory

 

[Heavyweapons Mann]

So you can use different Silvally types with a different item and ability?

 

[pileosand]

how does this change affect imposter? does imposter w/o rusted sword/shield copy base form or crowned form?

 

[Rumors]

I'm going to assume these function the same, but is it possible to gen perma Dynamax/Gigantamax mons?

What about Aegilash-Blade? Can it start a battle in Blade form or will it only ever be in Shield form?

Does normal Darmanitan-Zen function like Galarian?