hi thanks for the quick replies :) my first post was rather rushed in truth due to being late for work lol.... and i was going to post about why i didint memtion anyone i looked at etc so will go into it now: here is the list off pokemon i concidered using: nidoking - due to ability and able to use B+TB and resistance to fighting was concidered but due to low speed and and commen weaknesses i moved on. tentacruel - decent speed, and able to use blizzard and water attacks to beat few threats but lack of anyway to beat bulky waters. so basicly missed TB, is giga drain worth concidering? something like surf/blizzard/GD/protect? slowbro/king - had quick look but didnt like the low speed and shared bug weakness starmie - somehow this poke didnt even enter my mind, great speed and sp/a so worth looking into and brings a great way to take care of fighting types. dragonite - was first poke to come to mind, being able to use TB+B+heat wave which gives decent coverage but low speed of putting specially when being pounded with always hitting blizzards. mesprit - similar to starmie main reason for use would be to nail fighters but speed isn't the best, but think starmie better option. rotom - bring great stab to the team but slow and brings higher water and rock weakness. zapdos - slight chance of use due to got one from old streak which enjoyed using but doesnt bring blizzard to table and weak to rock/ice latis - main reason i'm staying away from dragons is the perfect accurecy of blizzard, but did want one to begin with due to brings perfect defensive coverage with heatran. kingdra - the only dragon which could fit into my team and still have work with it. can use blizzard and take care problems with stab water and possibly draco meteor. so from my thinking the options are - tentacruel - if giga drain worth concidering. starmie - great speed and coverage, and resists the right moves. Kingdra - brings the dragon (my fav dragon i might add) into the team. but lower speed and slightly less power than starmie, but added bulk, only gyarados would be problematic. Havent had chance to look into rock slide idea yet (cant believe i over looked it) but is there any mixed sweepers who learn both blizzard and rock slide? just a thought lol so there few my rough thoughts, any pointers?